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Old 11-27-2017, 07:32 PM   #76
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What you see today will vary considerably with what can possibly pass in the Senate.
2 weeks ago I thought no way this gets passed. That being said it could pass.

I am pretty sure Collins is a no. McCain voted against the GW tax cuts. This bill is so much worse. I have to think he is a no. Corker and Flake both stated he would not want to vote for a bill that inflates the deficit.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:50 PM   #77
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We already tried the repatriation thing, I think it was back in 2004, the tax holiday they called it. For a single day corporations were only taxed at a rate of 5% and all the money they brought back they gave to CEO's and share holders and then slashed blue collar jobs (estimates of 20,000 jobs in 1 day). Not a dime of it was invested in giving employees a higher wage, or creating new jobs. The Republicans tried to do this again in 2009 but that bill failed.

You see, when you give the elite and wealthy more money, they don't want want it to trickle down, they want to keep it in the family as they say.

Greed. It makes people do the wrong thing almost all the time.
Yeah, I can see that happening again. There really is nothing in this "reform" for lower incomes. Lowering the "pass-through" tax rate to a flat rate instead of the personal rate benefits some lower-income small business, but mostly benefits higher-income.

There was supposed to be real reform, i.e., elimination of loopholes, streamline everything. Not happening with the House version nor the Senate and won't be in a reconciliation. We'll see what they come up with.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:00 PM   #78
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Tax holidays are a mistake. Once you do them corporation just hold on to the cash waiting for the next one.

The smart move is corp tax reform that lowers the rate for good.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:02 PM   #79
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expanding the child tax deduction will help middle class and poor families won't it? Also when it comes to federal income tax poor people already get it all back, they don't really pay anything so how do you cut their tax?
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After 35 years, the Rethug strategy is predictable:

1. Cut taxes on corporations and the rich.

2. Rediscover their “religion” and sound alarm re: deficits.

3. Declare cuts to SS and Medicare must be made.

4. Rinse, repeat.
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After 35 years, the Rethug strategy is predictable:

1. Cut taxes on corporations and the rich.

2. Rediscover their “religion” and sound alarm re: deficits.

3. Declare cuts to SS and Medicare must be made.

4. Rinse, repeat.
They've been after FDR's legacy for seventy years. They're sure as hell not going to stop now that they can see victory in their grasp.
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Old 11-29-2017, 09:44 AM   #82
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expanding the child tax deduction will help middle class and poor families won't it? Also when it comes to federal income tax poor people already get it all back, they don't really pay anything so how do you cut their tax?
this is all folly unless were discussing a simple flat tax. Every other proposal has winners and losers, no way around it.
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A wildly unpopular, stupid bill... but hey, GOTTA PASS SOMETHING. These a-holes.

I don't get it. If you're gonna make a huge tax bill you aren't gonna pay for anyway, why pick on the poor people? It's unreal that there was a big fight over healthcare, and they'll just kill it in this bill.

And then trump will say "See! Obamacare failed!" God, i hope he's publicly executed once he's found guilty of the many crimes he's committed.
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A wildly unpopular, stupid bill... but hey, GOTTA PASS SOMETHING. These a-holes.

I don't get it. If you're gonna make a huge tax bill you aren't gonna pay for anyway, why pick on the poor people? It's unreal that there was a big fight over healthcare, and they'll just kill it in this bill.

And then trump will say "See! Obamacare failed!" God, i hope he's publicly executed once he's found guilty of the many crimes he's committed.
this effort is so enormous it should take take years of careful planning and debate to produce a well thought out bill. Sure the economy is doing well, business knows that the Treasury and Congress will put anything on credit and won't let them fail... that was never the intent of our Government.
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A wildly unpopular, stupid bill... but hey, GOTTA PASS SOMETHING. These a-holes.
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yeah, cuz the ACA was rammed through. There wasn't a friggin years worth of debate about it.
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yeah, cuz the ACA was rammed through. There wasn't a friggin years worth of debate about it.
They lost their supermajority in the Senate by losing a special in Massachusetts because of how unpopular it was.

Which brought them all the way to these lowly shenanigans, if you don't remember.

http://theweek.com/articles/496037/what-deemandpass

Anyway, the point is... **** legislation. Catastrophically unpopular.

They lubed it up and rammed it through regardless. Bringing you the Republican house majority ever since.
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They lost their supermajority in the Senate by losing a special in Massachusetts because of how unpopular it was.

Which brought them all the way to these lowly shenanigans, if you don't remember.

http://theweek.com/articles/496037/what-deemandpass

Anyway, the point is... **** legislation. Catastrophically unpopular.

They lubed it up and rammed it through regardless. Bringing you the Republican house majority ever since.
Regardless of what you think of the legislation (and its not catastrophically unpopular now), it made tons worse because they actually tried to work with republicans (also because Joe Lieberman is an a-hole). It took a year to get through.

This disgusting "under the cover of night" bs? Please. Hardly normal order.
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GOP refuses to learn the lessons of Kansas' failed tax experiment

Kansas' right-wing tax experiment failed spectacularly. Republicans are desperate to impose an eerily similar policy on the nation.
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Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) are both justifying their votes to give massive tax cuts to corporations and rich people and at the same…
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this effort is so enormous it should take take years of careful planning and debate to produce a well thought out bill. Sure the economy is doing well, business knows that the Treasury and Congress will put anything on credit and won't let them fail... that was never the intent of our Government.
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A wildly unpopular, stupid bill... but hey, GOTTA PASS SOMETHING. These a-holes.

I don't get it. If you're gonna make a huge tax bill you aren't gonna pay for anyway, why pick on the poor people? It's unreal that there was a big fight over healthcare, and they'll just kill it in this bill.

And then trump will say "See! Obamacare failed!" God, i hope he's publicly executed once he's found guilty of the many crimes he's committed.
It's a class warfare attack specifically DESIGNED to devestate the poor and further erode the middle class. Why? Because that's their goal, as bizarre as that sounds. Rump is psychotic and a sociopath. Hes quite simply....insane. He's leading a party of other sociopaths. If they had some means of physically exterminating all of the rest of us like Hitler tried to do with the Jews they would do so.
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It doesn't attack poor people. That is a wack job by the CBO claiming that because people will no longer be forced to by insurance, they are missing out on tax credits.

Attack poor people lol. They don't pay any ****ing tax!
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GOP refuses to learn the lessons of Kansas' failed tax experiment

Kansas' right-wing tax experiment failed spectacularly. Republicans are desperate to impose an eerily similar policy on the nation.
This is not a political party we are watching. It's a coup attempt. This hasn't sunk in yet for most people. Failure IS the objective. Destruction IS the goal.
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Regardless of what you think of the legislation (and its not catastrophically unpopular now), it made tons worse because they actually tried to work with republicans (also because Joe Lieberman is an a-hole). It took a year to get through.

This disgusting "under the cover of night" bs? Please. Hardly normal order.
"Tried to work with Republicans."

Locked out of negotiations. Zero votes,

You need to smoke less Media Matters bud.
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It doesn't attack poor people. That is a wack job by the CBO claiming that because people will no longer be forced to by insurance, they are missing out on tax credits.

Attack poor people lol. They don't pay any ****ing tax!
The poor do pay taxes, and in fact they actually pay every day in ways you do not. They pay a hidden poverty tax on goods and services as well as penalties the rich and middle class do not have to contend with. This includes everything from the cost of gasoline in their neighborhoods to higher food prices, rising rent costs, higher insurance costs, medical bills that go through the ER, higher transaction costs, higher interest rates, etc...if you doubt it, visit the grocery store in a poor neighborhood. The cost of being poor is higher than the impact of simply having less income.
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Privatized Gain, Socialized Risk....

Not Too Shabby
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That's the basic, Republican economic platform, in a nutshell.
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Tax cuts first and then Social Program reduction to keep the deficit in check

GOP senator says tax cuts must be followed by 'structural changes to Social Security and Medicare'

I analyze this very differently than most," Rubio said. "Many argue that you can't cut taxes because it will drive up the deficit. But we have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future." He suggested reducing benefits and raising the retirement age for future retirees, so people can prepare for the changes. "Tax reform is the economic component of this equation," Rubio said. "When more people are working, there are more taxpayers and more revenue, but that alone won't be enough. You are still going to have a debt problem in the absence of spending cuts."

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Tax cuts first and then Social Program reduction to keep the deficit in check

GOP senator says tax cuts must be followed by 'structural changes to Social Security and Medicare'

I analyze this very differently than most," Rubio said. "Many argue that you can't cut taxes because it will drive up the deficit. But we have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future." He suggested reducing benefits and raising the retirement age for future retirees, so people can prepare for the changes. "Tax reform is the economic component of this equation," Rubio said. "When more people are working, there are more taxpayers and more revenue, but that alone won't be enough. You are still going to have a debt problem in the absence of spending cuts."

http://theweek.com/speedreads/740454...urity-medicare
What he should have said was, "We want our fat cat billionaire donors who keep us employed to have their luxuries paid for by the poor, the old and the sick. That requires them to work harder, longer and for less money."

Why should anyone have an ounce of respect for these people?
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