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Old 12-05-2018, 05:19 PM   #1
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ĎTis the season to be sexist, with the ďtraditionalĒ Christmas pop played on an eternal loop, reinforcing old gender stereotypes about boys only wanting cowboy boots and guns while girls insist on walking, talking dollies. Thereís the infernal Love, Actually movie which, despite its charming British accents and treacly warm-fuzzy moments, is mind-bogglingly offensive in its depiction of women as nothing more than the embodiments of menís romantic and/or sexual fantasies. But the worst offender ó particularly this year, when it seems the epidemic of sexual assault and violence against women is finally getting the media attention it deserves ó is the classic winter song ďBaby, Itís Cold Outside.Ē
To be fair, the tune was written in 1944, long before the Pill, Roe v. Wade, Free to Be You and Me ó and only a measly 24 years after women got the right to vote. There was ďno such thingĒ as marital rape back then (in fact, it wasnít until 19-freakin-93 that marital rape became illegal in all 50 states). If you think our date rape culture is bad now, imagine it back in the Ď40s!
Which begs the question: if our rape problem is still so bad today, 70 years later, but weíre at least now aware of this problem, then why does this creepy song still get so much play? Most of its new versions have been recorded in the last decade, with three new versions released in the past year! Yes, itís a catchy tune, with some linguistically clever back-and-forths that make for a fun (or at least, fun-to-record) duet ó even we canít help but sing along! But in the age of campus rape awareness (finally!) and Bill Cosby allegations, how can so many contemporary artists (and listeners) not be more conflicted about a song that basically sanctions date rape ó roofies and all?

Letís break it down:
I really canít stay / But, baby, itís cold outside
Iíve got to go away / But, baby, itís cold outside
This evening has been / Been hoping that youíd drop in
So very nice / Iíll hold your hands theyíre just like ice
Okay, she states her intentions clearly and theyíre immediately met with his undermining tactics and pressure. And did he just subtly suggest that sheís ďfrigidĒ? Nice negging.
My mother will start to worry / Beautiful, whatís your hurry
My father will be pacing the floor / Listen to the fireplace roar
If her mother and father are waiting for her, then sheís probably still living at home ó she may not even be old enough to legally drink (or legally give sexual consent!).
So really Iíd better scurry / Beautiful, please donít hurry
Never trust someone youíre still getting to know who calls you ďBeautifulĒ instead of your actual name ó you are not an individual, youíre a notch.
Well, maybe just half a drink more / Put some records on while I pour
Do not let him do the pouring! Stay with your drink at all times.
The neighbors might think / Baby, itís bad out there
Say whatís in this drink / No cabs to be had out there
How can listeners not be picturing Bill Cosby in a garish Christmas sweater right now?
I wish I knew how / Your eyes are like starlight now
To break this spell / Iíll take your hat, your hair looks swell
The incessant flattery is a pretty creepy attempt to break down her will.
I ought to say no, no, no, sir / Mind if I move in closer
Okay, it admittedly gets a little fuzzy here (but maybe thatís because of what he put in her drink!). She shouldnít mince words, she should say ďnoĒ flat out ó and she does, later in the song! But here, letís not blame the victim. And, yes, good for him that he asked permission to move in closer, but does anyone listening believe he would respect her wishes and not inch nearer if she said, ďUh, thanks, but Iím goodĒ?
At least Iím gonna say that I tried / Whatís the sense of hurting my pride
I really canít stay / Baby, donít hold out
[Both] Baby, itís cold outside

Ugh, now weíre getting into the tired, well-trod territory of the sexual double standard: how women need to protect their reputations and deny their own sexuality, while men have to be virulent sexual creatures as a matter of pride. Add to that his underhanded attempt to appeal to her socially-constructed feminine desire to be accommodating and inoffensive and friendly. And please, letís not use the Blurred Lines, I-know-you-want-it excuse that she obviously would like to stay and have sex with him but canít because of the cultural mores of the time: a person can be conflicted about their feelings, but ultimately assert their intentions clearly, as she does ó and those intentions need to be respected.
I simply must go / Baby, itís cold outside
The answer is no / Baby, itís cold outside
There it is! Couldnít be clearer.
The welcome has been / How lucky that you dropped in
So nice and warm / Look out the window at the storm
Heís starting to sound like Kathy Bates in Misery.
My sister will be suspicious / Gosh your lips look delicious
My brother will be there at the door / Waves upon a tropical shore
My maiden auntís mind is vicious / Gosh your lips are delicious
But maybe just a cigarette more /Never such a blizzard before
So the lesson for boys is: ignore her, break her argument down at every turn, steal a kiss, and thatís when youíll start to get somewhere sexually. Classy.
I got to get home / But, baby, youíd freeze out there
Say lend me a coat / Itís up to your knees out there
Youíve really been grand / I thrill when you touch my hand
But donít you see / How can you do this thing to me
Blue balls are no longer a valid defense in the court of public opinion.
Thereís bound to be talk tomorrow / Think of my life long sorrow
And the lesson learned by girls is: your number one priority is not to be perceived as a slut.
At least there will be plenty implied / If you caught pneumonia and died
When all else fails, use the threat of imminent death as your P.U.A. power play. Isnít that one of Mysteryís moves outlined in the The Game?
I really canít stay / Get over that old doubt
[Both] Baby, itís cold
[Both] Baby, itís cold outside
The answer to the question of why this is now a Christmas ďstandardĒ is, of course, that sexism is alive and well today as the one remaining prejudice thatís still socially acceptable to entertain publicly. Because itís funny. Because itís no big deal. Hey, lighten up! Tell that to the women in this New York Times magazine article who said no, were ignored, and froze during their on-campus assaults.
The only way this song even remotely works in this day and age is with the roles reversed: a man singing the call and a woman singing the return ó though still questionable, at least itís subversive and philosophically interesting. They did it in the 1949 musical Neptuneís Daughter, which features both versions and seems pretty revolutionary for the time (the pushy man is pretty sleazy; the pushy woman is pure slapstick)
And those recordings are happening more often in the 21st century. But which of the Zooey Deschanel versions are you more familiar with: the She & Him one which does just that, or the traditional version with her and Leon Redbone (from the movie Elf)?
And thatís why, to all the traditional (read: sexist) versions we hear on the radio, we say ďBah, humbug!Ē
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:47 PM   #2
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I love It’s cold outside a classic christmas hit...

The whole meetoo and war on christmas movement is way overreaching and full of hot air. They likely do more to turn people off on their cause than to create awareness and sensitivity.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:34 PM   #3
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I love Itís cold outside a classic christmas hit...

The whole meetoo and war on christmas movement is way overreaching and full of hot air. They likely do more to turn people off on their cause than to create awareness and sensitivity.
Lol I dislike the song, the melody just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Or maybe it just gets way overplayed like the rest of the holiday tunes.
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Whatís thread worthy here is why Bronx was on the Huffington Post? If it was to laugh then I understand... please tell me it was only to ridicule and laugh...
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:44 AM   #6
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Couple week old but idiotic non the less.

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Lol I dislike the song, the melody just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Or maybe it just gets way overplayed like the rest of the holiday tunes.
Iím a big Dean Martin fan so I like that version.... ďoverplayedĒ well I donít listen to the radio so yt and pandora are my sources of music outside of my own extensive personal collection.
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Love how this writer attempts to pin the blame on trump that Jesus was a rape baby !

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Couple week old but idiotic non the less.

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Iím a big Dean Martin fan so I like that version.... ďoverplayedĒ well I donít listen to the radio so yt and pandora are my sources of music outside of my own extensive personal collection.
My wife loves Xmas so the music starts immediately after Thanksgiving. By Dec. 10th Iím done.
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My wife loves Xmas so the music starts immediately after Thanksgiving. By Dec. 10th Iím done.
It's either Amazon or Sirius that as a nice jazzy holiday channel. I can only listen for an hour or 2 before it's back to something else.

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I mean "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is just a bad song regardless.
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Whatís thread worthy here is why Bronx was on the Huffington Post? If it was to laugh then I understand... please tell me it was only to ridicule and laugh...
The fact it came from the huff post was why it was posted as to why it was posted at huffpo is the funny part
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