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Old 06-18-2017, 06:45 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military on Sunday shot down a Syrian Air Force fighter jet that bombed local forces aligned with the Americans in the fight against Islamic State militants, an action that appeared to mark a new escalation of the conflict.

The U.S. had not shot down a Syrian regime aircraft before Sunday's confrontation, said Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. While the U.S. has said since it began recruiting, training and advising what it calls moderate Syrian opposition forces to fight IS that it would protect them from potential Syrian government retribution, this was the first time it resorted to engaging in air-to-air combat to make good on that promise.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:11 PM   #2
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You are correct. This is a grave escalation. The US is the aggressor here. This is an act of war against Syria.

How is the US media describing it? Probably they are calling it a defensive act. That's total b.s.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:24 PM   #3
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Got to figure this is mad dog Matthis up to his old tricks -- playing war games with the future of the planet.

This is what Russia-gate has wrought --

If Trump's plan for detente with Russia had not been subverted by the CIA/NSA/Pentagon this would not be happening.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:27 PM   #4
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At least this did not occur in southern Syria -- and did not involve Russians. Maybe it won't lead to another escalation.

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Old 06-18-2017, 07:31 PM   #5
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The US has no UN mandate to be in Syria. The US presence is in violation of international law and this attack is another violation of US law -- the 1973 War Powers Act.

Rand Paul pointed this out not he floor of the Senate some time back. US attacks Syria are in breach of US law.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:17 PM   #6
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Poor wee naďf LINO bong boy playing Robin to der gaffo's Batman.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:21 PM   #7
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You are correct. This is a grave escalation. The US is the aggressor here. This is an act of war against Syria.

How is the US media describing it? Probably they are calling it a defensive act. That's total b.s.
And you know all this...how? Were you there? Or did Paul Craig Roberts tell you?
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:03 AM   #9
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The US military indeed has described the shoot down as a defensive act.

The shoot down was a blatant act of war against a sovereign nation. It was in violation of international law and US law -- yet was a "defensive" act.

How's that for Orwellian?

Here is the statement released by the US military:

“At 6:43pm, a Syrian regime SU-22 dropped bombs near SDF fighters south of Tabqah and, in accordance with rules of engagement and collective self-defense of Coalition partnered forces, was immediately shot down by a US F/A-18E Super Hornet,” the statement read.

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Old 06-19-2017, 01:50 AM   #10
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And you know all this...how? Were you there? Or did Paul Craig Roberts tell you?
He's reporting for Sputnik News.
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MacGaffey would have been happy if the SF troops embedded with the Syrains/Kurds had been bombed. Since we are trespassing
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MacGaffey would have been happy if the SF troops embedded with the Syrains/Kurds had been bombed. Since we are trespassing
So would you.

You would get to use it to justify the US presence across the world even more.
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So would you.

You would get to use it to justify the US presence across the world even more.
I would never cheer or celebrate our troops get hurt or killed, I know to well what that means since I've experienced it unlike most that just watch TV.

I don't and never believed that US should isolate itself from global affairs or pass the mantle of leadership to others. The problem that our policy has experienced is that we want to just want to do the military part and failed to have budget or execute the civilian part in these conflicts. That why Trump budget is failure because it cuts required civilian agency like USAID, Peace Corp, State Department official.
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elsid still beating down the insurgencies. 18 years later.

You need another two decades to finish the job?

Another trillion dumped into countries like Afghanistan?
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And you know all this...how? Were you there? Or did Paul Craig Roberts tell you?
He doesnt know sheat. But you know this is going to lead into war with Russia. Right after we finish up our war with Iran, we will go at Russia. All CIA/FBI's fault.
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elsid still beating down the insurgencies. 18 years later.

You need another two decades to finish the job?

Another trillion dumped into countries like Afghanistan?
Do you know why must of the young men in Afghanistan join the Taliban? It's not because they believe in the strict Islamic teaching. It's because they don't have jobs or opportunities to advance. The Taliban gives them both. Since Eisenhower administration the US has attempted to fight our wars on the cheap and it hurt us. Bush and Obama along with Congress refuse to put in the required civilian resources to win the war, instead believing that military solution was all that was needed. Military actions give you space and time to achieve your policy goals they don't win the war.
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Do you know why must of the young men in Afghanistan join the Taliban? It's not because they believe in the strict Islamic teaching. It's because they don't have jobs or opportunities to advance. The Taliban gives them both. Since Eisenhower administration the US has attempted to fight our wars on the cheap and it hurt us. Bush and Obama along with Congress refuse to put in the required civilian resources to win the war, instead believing that military solution was all that was needed. Military actions give you space and time to achieve your policy goals they don't win the war.
I hear from the Great Leader that we are now going to be winning all the time.

So no worries.
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I hear from the Great Leader that we are now going to be winning all the time.

So no worries.
No matter who is President we need to fundamentally rethink how we wage war. We have become to far dependent on our military to enforce policy decisions and are limiting ourselves on influencing our desire outcomes.
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Retired generals cite past comments from Mattis while opposing Trump’s proposed foreign aid cuts

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Now is not the time to slash U.S. foreign aid, more than 120 retired generals and admirals said Monday in a letter to lawmakers, while citing past comments from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to buttress their case.

The letter was released by the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, which includes business executives, foreign-policy experts and retired senior military officials, as the Trump administration signaled that it will slash international spending while boosting funding for the U.S. military. The signatories include several past service chiefs and combatant commanders.

“The State Department, USAID, Millennium Challenge Corporation, Peace Corps and other development agencies are critical to preventing conflict and reducing the need to put our men and women in uniform in harm’s way,” the letter said. “As Secretary James Mattis said while Commander of U.S. Central Command, ‘If you don’t fully fund the State Department, then I need to buy more ammunition.’”
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Every summer the professionals make the same request and every summer Congress cuts those programs to pay for more defense spending. All on the promise to the base that foriegn aid is bad.
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Every summer the professionals make the same request and every summer Congress cuts those programs to pay for more defense spending. All on the promise to the base that foriegn aid is bad.
And that it's like a quarter of the entire federal budget, or so they believe.
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We know who Gaff will be cheering for.

How about the pot head and other tRump smoochers?

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Russia's defense ministry says it will treat U.S.-led coalition planes in Syria as targets.



Russia warns U.S. after downing of Syrian jet

This comes after the U.S. military shot down a Syrian Air Force jet Sunday.
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Russia: US Warplanes West of Euphrates in Syria Now Legitimate Targets

After the U.S. shot down a Syrian fighter jet on Sunday, tensions escalate as Kremlin cuts off "deconfliction" channel
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The Associated Press‏ @AP 6h6 hours ago
BREAKING: Russia says it will treat US-led coalition planes in Syria, west of the Euphrates, as targets after US downed Syrian jet.
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