The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-03-2014, 12:42 AM   #151
BroncoMan4ever
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoMan4ever's Avatar
 
That's just like your opinion, man

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 14,186

Adopt-a-Bronco:
VIRGIL GREEN!!!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pricejj View Post
The Broncos WILL NOT be able to keep all of:

1. Demaryius Thomas
2. Julius Thomas
3. Orlando Franklin
4. Chris Harris
5. Terrance Knighton

The Broncos have 20 roster spots to fill in 2015, and have ~$33M to do it. These guys ALONE will take more than that in Free Agency.

Basically, you can take 2 of the guys off this list without batting an eyelash. We can quibble later about if the Broncos have enough money to sign a 3rd member of this list.

The Broncos lost 8 starters due to FA this year, and 8 more starters are coming up in FA next year.
Did we really lose 8 guys to FA or did 8 guys contracts end that we weren't interested in giving a new deal?

Of the 5 you have listed there I agree 2 of them won't return, but it won't be because the team is strapped, it will be because they will want more than the team is willing to pay. Knighton and Franklin will seek big money deals elsewhere. DT and JT will not be allowed to leave. Harris will most likely get a good deal here.

Also, the 33 million that that is being listed now is before cuts and money moves are made. Our cap number this year increased because we dumped Champ and Kuper retired. Next year's number will change when additional moves are made that right now aren't foreseen.

I am not too worried about the money. The team will sign the guys they want.

Last edited by BroncoMan4ever; 04-03-2014 at 12:45 AM..
BroncoMan4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 12:46 AM   #152
Bronc0guy
Hard hat & lunch pail guy
 
Bronc0guy's Avatar
 
Repeat City

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,701

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Cody Latimer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever View Post
Did we really lose 8 guys to FA or did 8 guys contracts end that we weren't interested in giving a new deal?

Of the 5 you have listed there I agree 2 of them won't return, but it won't be because the team is strapped, it will be because they will want more than the team is willing to pay. Knighton and Franklin will seek big money deals elsewhere. DT and JT will not be allowed to leave. Harris will most likely get a good deal here.
Is JT worth what he will command if he has another breakout year? Post manning, I don't see it. DT is coming back, period. Of the other 4 big names, we will resign 2, IMO. I think it's all guessing as to who those 2 are.
Bronc0guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 01:37 AM   #153
pricejj
jungle
 
pricejj's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17,703
Default

^
Taking off clothes, getting it up, copulation, rinse? (maybe not), putting back on clothes, reading another post, and responding to said post all within 9 minutes.

I know Lions only take about 30 seconds, but they also don't have to take off any clothes.

Bronc0guy gf says "Not too shabby".
pricejj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 01:42 AM   #154
Bronc0guy
Hard hat & lunch pail guy
 
Bronc0guy's Avatar
 
Repeat City

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,701

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Cody Latimer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pricejj View Post
^
Taking off clothes, getting it up, copulation, rinse? (maybe not), putting back on clothes, reading another post, and responding to said post all within 9 minutes.

I know Lions only take about 30 seconds, but they also don't have to take off any clothes.

Bronc0guy gf says "Not too shabby".
Hahahahaha. Just lol'd and woke up my very unsatisfied lady friend. Promised her I'd do better next time.
Bronc0guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 01:42 AM   #155
Mat'hir Uth Gan
Is It Draft Day Yet?
 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 3,322
Default

What we know based on Elway's history is that he has no problem paying 10M per year to a #1 CB at the peak of his game. He seems to prefer 5M for a #2 CB. If Harris does ask for a lot more, and we can't entice him with a lower number with max guarantees, than perhaps he does walk. We've had him for dirt cheap the last few years, so maybe the team will feel comfortable paying a little bit more thinking it's compensation for previous years' work as well.
Mat'hir Uth Gan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 01:49 AM   #156
pricejj
jungle
 
pricejj's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17,703
Default

"3 minutes, that's all I'm givin' ya. That's all the f--- I got!" - Bernie Mac


pricejj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 01:59 AM   #157
Bronc0guy
Hard hat & lunch pail guy
 
Bronc0guy's Avatar
 
Repeat City

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,701

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Cody Latimer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pricejj View Post
"3 minutes, that's all I'm givin' ya. That's all the f--- I got!" - Bernie Mac


Bernie Mac, RIP. Funny ass dude. He was spot on, in tonight's case. She won't remember it tomorrow anyway. O well.
Bronc0guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 02:09 AM   #158
pricejj
jungle
 
pricejj's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17,703
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronc0guy View Post
Bernie Mac, RIP. Funny ass dude. He was spot on, in tonight's case. She won't remember it tomorrow anyway. O well.
I'm actually surprised you're still awake. For me that's a TKO.

Goodnight, time for me to hit that dusty road.
pricejj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 05:16 AM   #159
DenverBound
Thanks for the memories
 
DenverBound's Avatar
 
This one's for Pat!

Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,253
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LikeABoss5820 View Post
The cap is expected to rise to 145-146 million.

They can backload those deals, and who knows if Manning plays in 2015 which will give them even more $.

Besides, as we've seen under Sullivan, he's been quite masterful at working these contracts.

They wont keep them all, have to let some guys go, but none of them minus DT will command huge money (10+ a year).

Another draft class in 15, the 14 draft class could fill 9-11 spots, maybe more. Then roll from there.

It's 5280 douche nozzle. Go back to the Browns. We don't want you.
DenverBound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:19 AM   #160
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 6,884

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DenverBound View Post
It's 5280 douche nozzle. Go back to the Browns. We don't want you.



/thread
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 12:54 AM   #161
Guess Who
Awesomeness
 
Guess Who's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 9,993

Adopt-a-Bronco:
PAIN
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat View Post
Just leave Franklin alone at RT and draft a damn OG.
Say for the sake of argument that Franklin kicks in to OG, Clark wins the RT job and Montgomery wins the C job.
You still have very little depth along the OL and now you have two guys changing positions and a brand new C. I want no part of that, Manning is great but that is too much shuffling.
You have Ramirez and whoever Denver drafts. Sounds like good depth too me.

Winston Justice backing up the OTs
Guess Who is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 01:11 AM   #162
Mat'hir Uth Gan
Is It Draft Day Yet?
 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 3,322
Default

Wait....are people thinking Montgomery is going to start over Ramirez at OC? That's not going to happen, the team is thrilled with Ramirez. Montgomery is 100% top notch OC depth and he likely pushes Steve Vallos out the door, if he's even still on the team. Montgomery could compete to start at LG I suppose, but I think he's just quality depth we hope never has to play this season.

Barring Xavier Su'a-Filo actually falling to our #31 overall selection, I don't see a scenario where we take an interior lineman at any point before the 5th round. We have huge secondary concerns along with WR and ILB.

I fully expect our line to be LT Clady, LG Franklin, OC Ramirez, RG Vasquez, and RT Clark. I expect Montgomery to be the primary backup at OC and OG, Justice to backup at RT (Clark would obviously switch to LT if needed), and Painter to backup at OT/OG. Painter has to make the team or someone will sign him, no PS. That's 8. Teams will dress between 7 - 10 O-linemen with the preference on the lower number, but that depends on positional versatility of your guys, the Broncos are massively versatile. We have room to take an OT or OG later in the draft and have them on the 53 but not dress as we develop them. 5th round seems like a good spot for this.
Mat'hir Uth Gan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 07:23 AM   #163
TonyR
Franchise Poster
 
TonyR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 25,482
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
Wait....are people thinking Montgomery is going to start over Ramirez at OC?
Yes, there is clearly a suggestion that it's possible.

http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-bronc...-as-starting-c
TonyR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 08:38 AM   #164
BroncoBuff
**************
 
BroncoBuff's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Seattle
Posts: 27,444

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Jordan Taylor
Default

Manny's not exactly a latter-day Mick Tingelhoff out there ... he was considered a very shaky player one year ago. When JD Walton went down in preseason, they signed Dan Koppen out of retirement instead of going with Manny. Only when Koppen was injured and Blake washed out did Manny get his chance.


You guys see this?: The Giants signed JD Walton to a two-year $5 million contract couple weeks ago. They're projecting him as their starter.
BroncoBuff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 08:45 AM   #165
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 6,884

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroncoBuff View Post
Manny's not exactly a latter-day Mick Tingelhoff out there ... he was considered a very shaky player one year ago. When JD Walton went down in preseason, they signed Dan Koppen out of retirement instead of going with Manny. Only when Koppen was injured and Blake washed out did Manny get his chance.


You guys see this?: The Giants signed JD Walton to a two-year $5 million contract couple weeks ago. They're projecting him as their starter.
That's not entirely accurate. First off, JD Walton went down the season before (2012) - not in preseason 2013.

Manny was the center through OTA's and into TC because they were giving JD Walton time to recover. Manny was starting ahead of Koppen even before Koppen was injured and the team has stated that several times (both Fox and Magazu were on record as saying Manny was the starting center throughout OTA's and TC)
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 09:03 AM   #166
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 20,467

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Booker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crush17 View Post
That's not entirely accurate. First off, JD Walton went down the season before (2012) - not in preseason 2013.

Manny was the center through OTA's and into TC because they were giving JD Walton time to recover. Manny was starting ahead of Koppen even before Koppen was injured and the team has stated that several times (both Fox and Magazu were on record as saying Manny was the starting center throughout OTA's and TC)
Walton re injured that ankle. Swelled up after performing in mini camp. Until June he was on his way to being the starter for 2013.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2349350...y-center-might
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 09:04 AM   #167
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 6,884

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic2 View Post
Walton re injured that ankle. Until June he was on his way to being the starter for 2013

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2349350...y-center-might
You are right, I forgot about the re-aggravation.
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 09:06 AM   #168
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 20,467

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Booker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crush17 View Post
You are right, I forgot about the re-aggravation.
I just like that we have options on which way to go/approach. I think once camp gets rolling and we see who they take in the draft things will fall into place.
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 09:11 AM   #169
LikeABoss5820
Ring of Famer
 
LikeABoss5820's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 11,839

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
Wait....are people thinking Montgomery is going to start over Ramirez at OC? That's not going to happen, the team is thrilled with Ramirez. Montgomery is 100% top notch OC depth and he likely pushes Steve Vallos out the door, if he's even still on the team. Montgomery could compete to start at LG I suppose, but I think he's just quality depth we hope never has to play this season.

Barring Xavier Su'a-Filo actually falling to our #31 overall selection, I don't see a scenario where we take an interior lineman at any point before the 5th round. We have huge secondary concerns along with WR and ILB.

I fully expect our line to be LT Clady, LG Franklin, OC Ramirez, RG Vasquez, and RT Clark. I expect Montgomery to be the primary backup at OC and OG, Justice to backup at RT (Clark would obviously switch to LT if needed), and Painter to backup at OT/OG. Painter has to make the team or someone will sign him, no PS. That's 8. Teams will dress between 7 - 10 O-linemen with the preference on the lower number, but that depends on positional versatility of your guys, the Broncos are massively versatile. We have room to take an OT or OG later in the draft and have them on the 53 but not dress as we develop them. 5th round seems like a good spot for this.
It's not a lock he starts, sure but its not crazy to think he won't given the other questionable options on the line.

Manny should stay at C imo where he flourished, but if the team likes Montgomery there or LG, then so be it.

Looking at PFF numbers, Montgomery is basically a cheaper version of Beadles.

Elway has said they'll go "BPA", whoever that is remains to be seen. Could certainly see them go OL depending whose there at 31.
LikeABoss5820 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:53 PM.


Denver Broncos