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Old 10-19-2014, 11:05 AM   #1076
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Which is why the stat comparison thing is elementary.

You take Luck's name out and just compare purely stats - and Luck is an average QB.
If you take Elway's stats from his first 5 years and just show stats with no name attached, would he be just average?

stats are important but damn they bring out the nerds to tell everyone who is actually good and who is average based on being a pencil pusher.

Luck is a good QB and will be for years to come...just like Elway. I am surprised a few here think he won't amount to anything more than average and "out in 3 seasons."
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You act like Seattle wins in spite of Wilson when posters here are simply pointing out that Wilson executes Seattle's offense extremely well. Seattle has been assembling their team for about 5 years but what got them over the top is Wilson.
Seattle's defense got them over the hump.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:10 AM   #1078
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Cam Newton is black Jay Cutler
from a talent standpoint, I totally agree. they are 2 of the most physically talented QBs in the league.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:10 AM   #1079
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Let's rag the performance of Wilson today and fail to acknowledge the exact same performance from Cam today.

Who's with me.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:11 AM   #1080
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Make it 21-3, once they pay Russ, they'll have more games like this.
this is a myopic argument, but I will play along.


How many points does Cam have? And against a much lesser defence?
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:15 AM   #1081
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Seattle's defense got them over the hump.
Tell that to Matt Flynn and his fat contract that Seattle paid him.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:18 AM   #1082
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you can compare it any way, Wilson is a better pro QB than Cam right now. I used the stats as a tangible exhibit. You can point to intangible such as he's a better leader, he's more poised late in games, he's a more accurate passer. His teams have had more success under him.

Using stats to reenforce an argument, in every debate, is much more convincing than using nothing more than moticons and family smack. Please, post why, any reason really that Newton is a better pro QB to this point. I have watched both. And am completely convinced, stats or otherwise, that Wilson is a better pro QB than Newton thus far.
You have not watched both play.

You're also full of ****...you posted..

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higher completion %
higher Y/A
higher AY/A
more TD passes per game played
higher TD %
lower INT %
a rating 13 points higher than Newton's
higher career QBR
more 4th Qaurter comebacks
more GW drives
better W/L record
Wilson and Newton have the same exact amount of 4th quarter comebacks at 8.

He's more poised late in games? I can tell you that both Newton and Wilson are extremely poised late in games - to say either one is more poised than the other is just making up bull****.

I can also tell you - that Wilson was shook last week with the game on the line in his own house.

Oh - and that's another aspect I forgot... Seattle has the BEST home field advantage in the NFL as they have the loudest stadium in the NFL.

But you know - let's avoid all those variables when taking into account who the better player is.

All you do is look at stats - and I know you haven't watched Newton play because Panthers are rarely on primetime.

But I'm sure you saw his comeback against the Patriots last year and his 2 comebacks this year right?
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Tell that to Matt Flynn and his fat contract that Seattle paid him.
They won a playoff game with Wilson going 9/18 for 103 yards, but hes why they won.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:19 AM   #1084
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Tell that to Matt Flynn and his fat contract that Seattle paid him.
Didn't see that coming.
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this is a myopic argument, but I will play along.


How many points does Cam have? And against a much lesser defence?
Not the point.

Cam has the worst OL in football and minus Benjamin, his weapons suck.

Terrible argument frodo.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:22 AM   #1086
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Not the point.
of course it isn't
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If you take Elway's stats from his first 5 years and just show stats with no name attached, would he be just average?

stats are important but damn they bring out the nerds to tell everyone who is actually good and who is average based on being a pencil pusher.

Luck is a good QB and will be for years to come...just like Elway. I am surprised a few here think he won't amount to anything more than average and "out in 3 seasons."
Exactly.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:24 AM   #1088
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I have not ignored that Wilson has better stats. Matter of fact - I have addressed that multiple times. Are you retarded? Is your memory short?

Only morons - like yourself - ignore the other variables when taking into account the production of ANY player - talent around them and coaching.

It's not even like Cam and Wilson are close in these areas - Wilson's situation is better than Cam's by a WIDE margin.

The offense Wilson is in is also friendlier.

You have not acknowledged any of these details - yet all you can do is tout stats that any one can find and see which number is bigger. If you truly believe that marks the better player - why are you even having a discussion?

Why are you even trying to convince anyone as if people can't see what number is bigger?

Your stupidity is obvious. Your lack of understanding is laughable. You knowledge of football (and sports) is elementary. The level of your logic and thought process regarding this topic is the same as mine when I was in kindergarten.

1 QB has more wins and more passing TDs and bigger stats - he is OBVIOUSLY better!!!

Lets be honest here - you must be a real idiot in person
Your insults show how incredibly intelligent you must be; because, let's be honest here, if there is one trait that marks a genius, its the inability to engage in a debate without resorting to insults.

What you fail to comprehend is that your stance is purely subjective, and simply opinion.

PS-I'm watching Newton play right now; it's pure QB prowess on display.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:25 AM   #1089
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You act like Seattle wins in spite of Wilson when posters here are simply pointing out that Wilson executes Seattle's offense extremely well. Seattle has been assembling their team for about 5 years but what got them over the top is Wilson.
I am not saying that at all - as Wilson has performed very well.

To the casual watcher and geek armchair stat analyzer - yeah I can very well see why they would think that that Wilson is a better QB.

But if you actually know what you're watching - you'd see how much he benefits from his situation and how much better Cam is when you both watch them work.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:26 AM   #1090
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You have not watched both play.
of course I have, buddy.
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this is a myopic argument, but I will play along.


How many points does Cam have? And against a much lesser defence?
Against a much lesser defense? So you're just going to keep making up bull**** like you did with the 4th quarter comebacks?

Rams and Packers are ranked 18/19 this year in defensive yardage - however

Rams give up 30 ppg and Packers give up 21.7.

But yeah - "much" lesser defense Cam is facing.

****ing moron

All these armchair stat nerds do the same thing - which is just make up bull****.
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Right now Cam is yelling at his teammates for a delay of game penalty. #best QB ever.
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Against a much lesser defense?
yes, against a much lesser defence. nice use of stats in this post, though. we are getting somewhere.
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of course I have, buddy.
Another lie - obviously.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:32 AM   #1095
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So you're just going to keep making up bull**** like you did with the 4th quarter comebacks?
Wilson has 8 (#Clutch) and Newton has 7. Despite Newton playing an entire season more

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...N/NewtCa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WilsRu00.htm
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Right now Cam is yelling at his teammates for a delay of game penalty. #best QB ever.
Yeah because when Manning does it - it's ok.

Because you know - QBs never get mad at their players.

****ing idiot - I swear you fools throw everything out the window when trying to prove a point.

Goes back to my post earlier in this thread - which is most people just aren't very smart and can't handle multiple variables going on at once.

In this case - Dedhed is so tuned in and wants to see Cam in a negative way for his argument -- that every negative thing that happens will be blown up in his brain without being able to keep a mental baseline to be objective.

Such as this moronic post of "OMG HE'S A BAD QB HE YELLED AT HIS TEAMMATE!"

Most likely some fat **** or nerd that's never played sports.
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Wilson has 8 (#Clutch) and Newton has 7. Despite Newton playing an entire season more

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...N/NewtCa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WilsRu00.htm
Nope - try again

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=NewtCa00

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=WilsRu00

8 fourth quarter comebacks, 7 game-winning drives
8 fourth quarter comebacks, 11 game-winning drives

kepe lying though.
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Nope - try again

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=NewtCa00

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=WilsRu00

8 fourth quarter comebacks, 7 game-winning drives
8 fourth quarter comebacks, 11 game-winning drives

kepe lying though.
ah, it appears the PFR main player page has 7 for Newton. Okay, so Wilson has as many 4th Q Comebacks in fewer games as Newton (so more comeback drives per games played--impressive) and Wilson still has 4 more GW drives than Newton despite playing a full season less.

#Clutch
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yes, against a much lesser defence. nice use of stats in this post, though. we are getting somewhere.
Again a "much" lesser defense - yet Packers defense has performed better this year.

You ****ing dumb ass
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