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Old 08-08-2015, 05:45 AM   #13951
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Broncos should cut Osweiler at the end of camp. Would result in about $750k cap savings, can keep Siemian under contract for 4 years.

I believe Manning will play for 2 more years.
I don't know a thing about siemian other than he wasn't a great college qb but I totally agree with giving up on brock and peyton playing in 2016 and honoring his contract.
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:28 AM   #13952
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Yes, lets cut Osweiler and have the Northwestern kid play for us if Manning were to go down. Brilliant.
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:01 PM   #13953
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:13 PM   #13954
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Yes, lets cut Osweiler and have the Northwestern kid play for us if Manning were to go down. Brilliant.
All reports indicate that Osweiler is not having a good camp. Like I said, if they don't like him, there is no reason to keep him. Might as well try and develop a guy like Siemian that you have under contract for 4 more years.
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:44 PM   #13955
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All reports indicate that Osweiler is not having a good camp. Like I said, if they don't like him, there is no reason to keep him. Might as well try and develop a guy like Siemian that you have under contract for 4 more years.
Cut a 2nd round pick that hasn't seen real action? Yikes.
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:53 PM   #13956
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All reports indicate that Osweiler is not having a good camp. Like I said, if they don't like him, there is no reason to keep him. Might as well try and develop a guy like Siemian that you have under contract for 4 more years.
If you suck for 3 training camps and pre seasons, you're probably gonna suck for the fourth. If I'm not mistaken the ps rules changes recently and if he were to be cut he could still be retained... If he wasn't swooped up, which I doubt anyone would. Bad pick, swallow your pride john and move on.
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:16 PM   #13957
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Makes no sense. I'd still rather have Brock this season than a kid who wasn't very good in college. Perhaps he'll turn into something but his place is on the p-squad. Why the rush to move on from Brock when you can have both
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:01 AM   #13958
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All reports indicate that Osweiler is not having a good camp. Like I said, if they don't like him, there is no reason to keep him. Might as well try and develop a guy like Siemian that you have under contract for 4 more years.
I sincerely doubt Elway is going to go into this season or next relying on a oft injured 7th round draft pick that couldn't beat out Cain Coulter for the starting gig.

It will be interesting to watch Brock's progression this season with some actual PT and a good amount of practice reps.
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:37 AM   #13959
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This pretty much sums it up. The decision will be made before final cuts. Hopefully Brock improves. Sorry 'bout the brain fart. Lucky I didn't make a thread for it.
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:35 AM   #13960
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This pretty much sums it up. The decision will be made before final cuts. Hopefully Brock improves. Sorry 'bout the brain fart. Lucky I didn't make a thread for it.
I get the feeling he's getting more coaching now than he did the past few years combined. I think Brock was viewed as just being there, and the coaches never gave him the attention he needed since he wasn't going to keep their paychecks coming anyway.

I always felt the defensive side of the ball never played up to their talent, and I'm thinking now this entire team had success in spite of the impotent coaching it received.

With Kubiak in town, I am much more comfortable with Brock's development. Kubes is much more qualified than anyone on the previous staff was to determine if Brock is worth keeping around, and I would be OK with whatever decision he makes.
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Old 08-09-2015, 08:51 AM   #13961
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I get the feeling he's getting more coaching now than he did the past few years combined. I think Brock was viewed as just being there, and the coaches never gave him the attention he needed since he wasn't going to keep their paychecks coming anyway.

I always felt the defensive side of the ball never played up to their talent, and I'm thinking now this entire team had success in spite of the impotent coaching it received.

With Kubiak in town, I am much more comfortable with Brock's development. Kubes is much more qualified than anyone on the previous staff was to determine if Brock is worth keeping around, and I would be OK with whatever decision he makes.
Yep, Kubes thought David Carr was a viable starter when he went to Houston.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:19 AM   #13962
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There was someone on here this off season saying Brock would beat out Manning if there actually was a "fair" competition.

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Old 08-09-2015, 10:27 AM   #13963
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has any PFM backup from his time in Indy or here ever gotten any notable playing time in the NFL (minus of course the season he missed in Indy with his neck problems)? it seems to me that being drafted as a QB on a team with Peyton Manning is career suicide. Oz won't be the first, but he might be the last.
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has any PFM backup from his time in Indy or here ever gotten any notable playing time in the NFL (minus of course the season he missed in Indy with his neck problems)? it seems to me that being drafted as a QB on a team with Peyton Manning is career suicide. Oz won't be the first, but he might be the last.
or it could be that most QB picks don't amount to much of anything in general.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:43 AM   #13965
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Yep, Kubes thought David Carr was a viable starter when he went to Houston.
Did Kubes draft Carr? Maybe he was just working with what he had? Carr was the number one pick and i'm sure Kubiak tried his best to make him worthy of that draft pick position.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:44 AM   #13966
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Did Kubes draft Carr? Maybe he was just working with what he had? Carr was the number one pick and i'm sure Kubiak tried his best to make him worthy of that draft pick position.
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HOUSTON -- The Houston Texans waived quarterback David Carr,
the first draft pick in franchise history five years ago, and
running back Domanick Williams.
The Texans never have had a winning record, and Carr often was
the scapegoat. He completed 60 percent of his passes, but also
threw 65 interceptions and was sacked 249 times in five seasons.

Houston hoped Carr would flourish under new coach Gary Kubiak
last season, but the Texans went 6-10.


a polished turd is still a turd....see jake plummer
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:46 AM   #13967
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Yep, Kubes thought David Carr was a viable starter when he went to Houston.
Carr was damaged goods by the time kubes got there.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:55 AM   #13968
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has any PFM backup from his time in Indy or here ever gotten any notable playing time in the NFL (minus of course the season he missed in Indy with his neck problems)? it seems to me that being drafted as a QB on a team with Peyton Manning is career suicide. Oz won't be the first, but he might be the last.
No, but the back ups were always taken in round 6 or later and were at best considered to be journeyman prospects coming out.
They just stood around holding a clipboard and Manning took all the reps in practice.

This is really the first year in which Brock is getting not only a good portion of the reps but also playing a nice bit with the first team and quite frankly, getting really good 1 on 1 teaching from the coaching staff.
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Yep, Kubes thought David Carr was a viable starter when he went to Houston.
Please explain, given that Carr was drafted in 2002, and Kubiak wasn't named HC until 2006.
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Please explain, given that Carr was drafted in 2002, and Kubiak wasn't named HC until 2006.
He likely means that since Kubiak did not actively attempt to replace him and find a franchise QB.
Most coaches come in and want "their guy" at QB. Kubiak pretty much works with what he has and moves from there.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:08 AM   #13971
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lol...yes

HOUSTON -- The Houston Texans waived quarterback David Carr,
the first draft pick in franchise history five years ago, and
running back Domanick Williams.
The Texans never have had a winning record, and Carr often was
the scapegoat. He completed 60 percent of his passes, but also
threw 65 interceptions and was sacked 249 times in five seasons.

Houston hoped Carr would flourish under new coach Gary Kubiak
last season, but the Texans went 6-10.


a polished turd is still a turd....see jake plummer
Plummer was the best QB Denver had in the time btwn Elway and Manning. As far as Carr, he was pretty much broken by the time Kubes showed up in Houston. Maybe he would have been a bust anyway, but I think the guy was done based on the amount of hits he took before that.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:37 AM   #13972
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He likely means that since Kubiak did not actively attempt to replace him and find a franchise QB.
Most coaches come in and want "their guy" at QB. Kubiak pretty much works with what he has and moves from there.
And that's exactly what Kubiak did. Carr only played under Kubiak for one season.

One.

And by the way, that one season was where he had a career best 68% completion percentage.

So I'm not clear on how Carr's failure is an indictment of Kubiak.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:57 AM   #13973
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If Osweiler sucks in the preseason it might well be time to move on, but probably not until after the season. You don't roll with a 7th round rookie as your backup QB...
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:00 PM   #13974
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If Osweiler sucks in the preseason it might well be time to move on, but probably not until after the season. You don't roll with a 7th round rookie as your backup QB...
Zac Desert is still on with the team too.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:04 PM   #13975
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Zac Desert is still on with the team too.
so a 7th-round rookie and a 7th-round vet who hasn't been able to work his way past Osweiler over multiple offseasons of work.
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