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Old 03-05-2018, 10:05 PM   #151
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Guys think about this for a minute: John Elway and Jim Kelly gave him a chance. Right now he's been working out with Phil Simms for a month, and in one year we haven't heard a single negative item, no police blotters embarrassing videos or anything else.

If John gave him a chance, we should too. And he's done nothing to ruin it that we know of yet. You don't have to be positive about him but maybe lay off the negativity for a little while.
How many chances did he give Osweiler and Lynch again?
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Osweiler skipped out on his chances ... Lynch has an evanescent handful left.

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By "chance" I meant his off-field behavior not his on-field play.
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If Kelly is so good, he wouldnt have been drafted in the last draft spot. If there is something we have learned in this NFL business is that if you are high talented even if your are injured or have off field bagage, you will get drafted better than mr irrelevant. Elway in no way is going to be starting another 7th round QB while having the possibility to draft a top tier talent.
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If Kelly is so good, he wouldnt have been drafted in the last draft spot. If there is something we have learned in this NFL business is that if you are high talented even if your are injured or have off field bagage, you will get drafted better than mr irrelevant. Elway in no way is going to be starting another 7th round QB while having the possibility to draft a top tier talent.
If Brady was so good he surely wouldn't have lasted to the 6th round. If Terrell Davis was so good no way he'd be there in the 6th round. If Chris Harris Jr. could play at all surely someone would have drafted him.

It happens. In Kelly's case he went last because he is both borderline insane, suffered a pretty serious injury, and saw his production fall of in his last year in college.

He easily has first round talent to go with the mentall make-up of your average inmate in county jail.
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HEY! Did you read the Chad Kelly article Tony R posted on the previous page like I told you to?

And talk about delusional ... We don't have enough money or winning potential to lure cousins.
The article that you seem to value so much, written prior to his draft, yet Chad still ended up being 1 pick away from not 1 NFL team drafting him?

What point are you trying to make here?
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If Kelly is so good, he wouldnt have been drafted in the last draft spot. If there is something we have learned in this NFL business is that if you are high talented even if your are injured or have off field bagage, you will get drafted better than mr irrelevant. Elway in no way is going to be starting another 7th round QB while having the possibility to draft a top tier talent.
Maybe, but half the board thought the savior was an UDFA, so you never know.
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What point are you trying to make here?

Have I not made it clear, okay....

My point is THE REASON he was drafted that late. And that reason was OFF-FIELD conduct. And right now we have no reason to believe any of that conduct has occurred since draft day. Elway, Uncle Jim and Simms have each shown faith it won't.

His ONFIELD SKILLS do seem to be on a level that would have at least compared with these 5 guys. Again, that article from Ol' Miss, plus his video and stats- he'd fit in pretty comfy below Mayfield at 4 and about equal to Lamar Jackson/Mason Rudolph/Luke Fall at 5-7.
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If Kelly is so good, he wouldnt have been drafted in the last draft spot. If there is something we have learned in this NFL business is that if you are high talented even if your are injured or have off field bagage, you will get drafted better than mr irrelevant. Elway in no way is going to be starting another 7th round QB while having the possibility to draft a top tier talent.
Have you any familiarity to Laíel Collins? Clear top 5 pick OL went undrafted because he was accused of killing his girlfriend and being investigated before and during the draft. Signed a big UDFA contract with the Cowboys, started, and just got a new extension. Itís not black or white, the circumstances dictate the risk and the talent dictate how willing the team is to take that risk. Kelly is talented, but wasnít thought of as a canít miss, so his very obvious and continuous offfield issues led teams to back away. But donít think if we didnít draft him with the last pick that he wasnít going to be the biggest target and highest paid UDFA of that draft; because the talent was/is there.

Simply speaking to his draft position here, not his future in the NFL.
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Have you any familiarity to Laíel Collins? Clear top 5 pick OL went undrafted because he was accused of killing his girlfriend and being investigated before and during the draft. Signed a big UDFA contract with the Cowboys, started, and just got a new extension. Itís not black or white, the circumstances dictate the risk and the talent dictate how willing the team is to take that risk. Kelly is talented, but wasnít thought of as a canít miss, so his very obvious and continuous offfield issues led teams to back away. But donít think if we didnít draft him with the last pick that he wasnít going to be the biggest target and highest paid UDFA of that draft; because the talent was/is there.

Simply speaking to his draft position here, not his future in the NFL.
So being immature is the same as posibly killing someone? I mean, the dude that dallas picked Jaylon Smith or something like that... had what NFL doctors said was degenerative condition, or that his nerves would never comeback and play for a long time. Dallas still picked him in the 2nd round.

Better yet, is there anyone here that would actually say that based on talent alone, that Kelly is a top 5,10,20 or even 1st round in this draft? I mean, Manziel was an inmature alcoholic a-hole, he still got picked in the 1st round. There is more to Kelly that meets the eye for him to go almost undrafted. I think it has to do what it between his ears... and we already know what that was like with Pax.
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Hey .... I thought you were showing some pragmatic optimism for a while there. Now you're bumming me out man

To be drafted means you have something coaches and front offices liked. A draft pick is an investment.

But Kelly is a stupid man. Hitting on pornstars (gross), threatening to kill a guy in a bar in front of police, charging the field at a high school football game to beat on a kid who hit his brother. These are not the actions of a level headed guy. These are the actions of an a-hole. Who happens to have arm talent.

So the only person to blame for Kelly's current status is him. Is it impossible for him to become the Broncos starter and potentially be a dazzling all pro? No. Is it likely? No.

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I think it's safe to say the Broncos don't have any plans for Chad Kelly to be our starter. It would take injuries for this to happen.
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To be drafted means you have something coaches and front offices liked. A draft pick is an investment.

But Kelly is a stupid man. Hitting on pornstars (gross), threatening to kill a guy in a bar in front of police, charging the field at a high school football game to beat on a kid who hit his brother. These are not the actions of a level headed guy. These are the actions of an a-hole. Who happens to have arm talent.

So the only person to blame for Kelly's current status is him. Is it impossible for him to become the Broncos starter and potentially be a dazzling all pro? No. Is it likely? No.

The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows...
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To be drafted means you have something coaches and front offices liked. A draft pick is an investment.

But Kelly is a stupid man. Hitting on pornstars (gross), threatening to kill a guy in a bar in front of police, charging the field at a high school football game to beat on a kid who hit his brother. These are not the actions of a level headed guy. These are the actions of an a-hole. Who happens to have arm talent.

So the only person to blame for Kelly's current status is him. Is it impossible for him to become the Broncos starter and potentially be a dazzling all pro? No. Is it likely? No.

Actually, I found this to be a possible OK trait. She called him out, and he went back and did it again. Is this stupidity or fearlessness?
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So being immature is the same as posibly killing someone? I mean, the dude that dallas picked Jaylon Smith or something like that... had what NFL doctors said was degenerative condition, or that his nerves would never comeback and play for a long time. Dallas still picked him in the 2nd round.

Better yet, is there anyone here that would actually say that based on talent alone, that Kelly is a top 5,10,20 or even 1st round in this draft? I mean, Manziel was an inmature alcoholic a-hole, he still got picked in the 1st round. There is more to Kelly that meets the eye for him to go almost undrafted. I think it has to do what it between his ears... and we already know what that was like with Pax.
I believe immature and psychotic to be different. Nevertheless, I think we are saying the same thing but making separate assumptions. No, he wasnít first round talent. But he does have starter potential talent. Given those two things, he fell as far as he did. Had he been a pro bowl level guy, sure he would have been taken higher like Miles Jacks or Jaylon Smith who had hat type of eval.

Kelly is a Day 2 QB by talent alone, and mr irrelevant with character included. Simple.
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To be drafted means you have something coaches and front offices liked. A draft pick is an investment.

But Kelly is a stupid man. Hitting on pornstars (gross), threatening to kill a guy in a bar in front of police, charging the field at a high school football game to beat on a kid who hit his brother. These are not the actions of a level headed guy. These are the actions of an a-hole. Who happens to have arm talent.

So the only person to blame for Kelly's current status is him. Is it impossible for him to become the Broncos starter and potentially be a dazzling all pro? No. Is it likely? No.

Maybe but they are the actions of many young men. These things aren't that egregious really. The only thing that matters is if he put it behind him and well, he has been with Denver a year now and has had no issues.
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I believe immature and psychotic to be different. Nevertheless, I think we are saying the same thing but making separate assumptions. No, he wasnít first round talent. But he does have starter potential talent. Given those two things, he fell as far as he did. Had he been a pro bowl level guy, sure he would have been taken higher like Miles Jacks or Jaylon Smith who had hat type of eval.

Kelly is a Day 2 QB by talent alone, and mr irrelevant with character included. Simple.
That's fair. I am not in the going after Kirk camp, but should that not happen, I would take the top tier QB available or trade up for the one we have, than to go with Kelly into the season as a potential starter.

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Have I not made it clear, okay....

My point is THE REASON he was drafted that late. And that reason was OFF-FIELD conduct. And right now we have no reason to believe any of that conduct has occurred since draft day. Elway, Uncle Jim and Simms have each shown faith it won't.

His ONFIELD SKILLS do seem to be on a level that would have at least compared with these 5 guys. Again, that article from Ol' Miss, plus his video and stats- he'd fit in pretty comfy below Mayfield at 4 and about equal to Lamar Jackson/Mason Rudolph/Luke Fall at 5-7.
If anything you just said was even close to remotely true, he would have not been 1 pick away from being undrafted, and he would jump right ahead of Paxton Lynch on the depth chart.

You people have real trouble of deciphering reality huh? Itís kind of difficult for you guys?
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I think it's safe to say the Broncos don't have any plans for Chad Kelly to be our starter. It would take injuries for this to happen.
If they had to start Kelly or even a Rookie top 5 pick in the draft we will be repeating the last 2 years.
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they wont have to start kelly.

Until he beats out every single QB in TC.

Case, Cousins, Rosen, it doesnt matter.

They will all fall to the Swag.
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Emerging from dormancy, Chad Kelly finally in Broncos QB mix



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"Getting drafted by a great organization picked me up," Kelly said Tuesday from Colorado, "but going through the year and not being able to help on the field, I don't want to say you doubt yourself, but I felt, 'Man, I just want to go out there and do something about this!'
"But you've got to be patient. It was a year that tested my patience really hard, but seeing an NFL season like I have, it lights a fire in your stomach. I wake up every day and just want to be the best there is."
Kelly has been throwing without issues. His uncle, Buffalo Bills icon Jim Kelly, posted an Instagram video of Chad throwing last week in New Jersey. Chad was working out with free agent Matt Simms, whose father, New York Giants legend Phil Simms, stopped by to say hello.
This week in Indianapolis, clubs will evaluate the next infusion of prospects. The Broncos, uncertain at quarterback and plotting how to use the fifth overall draft pick, will be among the most interested in passers such as Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.
Kelly is ahead of them when it comes to pro experience, traveling to all Denver's road games despite being inactive, absorbing a playbook, breaking down film with veteran coaches and QBs, learning what it means to be a full-time football player.
But by Kelly's personal definition, he isn't really in the NFL.
"It hasn't hit me yet," the St. Joe's grad said, "and I don't think it'll hit me until I step on that field for the first time and play an actual game.
"Being in that locker room and seeing those guys put on that jersey and come together and get hyped up and ready to go play another NFL team was really neat, and I can't wait to have that feeling and contribute with my best friends, my teammates I'm going into battle with every day."
Kelly would seem a safe bet to remain with Denver if he stays healthy and doesn't give skeptics reason to recall his silly missteps at Clemson or while visiting Western New York.
As a seventh-round draft choice, he's an inexpensive lottery ticket for president of football operations/general manager John Elway.
"There's only 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL," Kelly said. "You've got to be thankful for your opportunity.
"You can dwell on being hurt, but the opportunity to scan your ID card in the parking lot and walk into work and see great players and great people and guys that want to do that every single day with you is what it's all about."
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Your theme song is Only Happy When it Rains and your spirit animal is eeyore. So...

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I Like Kelly being here that was a good gamble. Hope the kid shines.
I hope we give him at least half the chances we gave Lynch.
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