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Old 02-02-2006, 10:55 AM   #51
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Old 02-02-2006, 11:52 AM   #52
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I was reaching so far that I think I pulled a muscle in my butt!
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:01 PM   #53
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And ANOTHER season in which the Mavs fall short of the NBA finals.

It doesnt look like it right now. The Mavs have set the pace for the Western conference. The Spurs are fighting to keep up with them. The Mavs have challenged the Spurs to get their act together far before they have done in their recent years, and the Spurs have struggled to do so. That's not taking anything away from SA, who has done as well as Dallas in regards to dealing with setbacks.

The Mavs are 5-1 against the NBA's best. Including a 30+ point win over Detroit (Detroit's 1st loss of the season) and a 20 point victory over SA. Their only loss in that group was a 2 point loss to SA. That win total also includes 2 wins vs. Phoenix, including a season-opening 17 point comeback in the 4th period where Dirk dominated both ends of the floor scoring 3 straight 3 pointers to put the Mavs within a bucket on an 11-0 Dirk vs. Phoenix run. They have already dominated Miami, a full strength Indiana team, etc, etc.

Dallas is really good this season. If they win the west (which looks like a probability), they could topple the Spurs in the playoffs and represent the West against Detroit. Dallas is championship calibur this season. In the past, certain things had to improve for Dallas to make noise. That's not the case this season...they are a complete team and are actually one of the more physical interior teams in the NBA. They get most of their points in the paint and block shots as well as anyone in the NBA. They can score with anyone, defend with anyone, show more looks on offense and defense than anyone, are well coached, are the deepest team in the league, and have begun setting all-time records with their success this season.

You cant overlook them as being a function of their past. They are a different team. Nash (the Mav playoff dud) is in Phoenix. I could go on, but I doubt you have read this far anyhow...

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Old 02-02-2006, 12:15 PM   #54
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All I'm gunna say is this. I'm impressed, the Mavs are in fact playing great.

BUT with that said, what about Flip Saunders? What about Mike D'Antoni?

Granted, Flip already had a great team, but still, they could reasonably win 70 games. That is something special.

And D'Antoni, everybody left that team for dead after Amare went down, and they're right there.

Again, this isn't Avery Johnson hate, but I'd take Flip and Mike over him, I think.

I also think that it could come down to Chauncy vs. Nash for MVP... Chauncy is leading that Piston squad, but same deal, Nash is carrying that team without it's best player.
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Old 02-02-2006, 01:36 PM   #55
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All I'm gunna say is this. I'm impressed, the Mavs are in fact playing great.

BUT with that said, what about Flip Saunders? What about Mike D'Antoni?

Granted, Flip already had a great team, but still, they could reasonably win 70 games. That is something special.

And D'Antoni, everybody left that team for dead after Amare went down, and they're right there.

Again, this isn't Avery Johnson hate, but I'd take Flip and Mike over him, I think.

I also think that it could come down to Chauncy vs. Nash for MVP... Chauncy is leading that Piston squad, but same deal, Nash is carrying that team without it's best player.
Well, you have to be consistent in the way you divvy up the accolades.

On Nash/D'Antoni:
I have heard direct quotes from D'Antoni and Nash where D'Antoni has said that Nash is the coach for that offense and basically makes all of the decisions. Think Peyton Manning. Nash is the brains and the athletic prowess behind that offense. In this case, I give the credit to Nash and take some of it from D'Antoni. Not to say that Mike does not contribute, but Nash's contributions are what makes that team win games. Nash is what gives them that extra kick. Even when Stoudamire plays. Nash is the Suns.
Nash avgs: 19.1 ppg, 11.5 apg, 4.4 rpg, 0.87 spg, .927 ft%

On Saunders/Billups:
Detroit is playing well and are motivated to win the championship. They have a more focused offense and are still playing tough D. Saunders has always been one of the top NBA coaches, IMO, and I wouldnt be disappointed at all if he won the award. He has kept the team on track for the first half of the season on the way to distancing themselves from the rest of the weak east. Billups is a piece of a team. To give him the award would be awarding him for what the team has accomplished. Billups makes some tough shots for that team and passes pretty well, but would you say that he means more to his team's success than Nash? The Pistons are a complete squad with other awesome players that would be stars no matter where they played. Wallace, Wallace, Hamilton, and Prince are all great athletic and versatile players. IMO, the only appropriate award for that team is the NBA Championship. The other awards dont fit. They dont tell the story. Remember, this is a team that hasnt dealt with the problems that Dallas, San Antonio, or Phoenix has.
Chauncey Billups: 19.3 ppg, 8.5 apg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 spg, .920 ft%

On Avery Johnson/Dirk Nowitzki:
When considering Avery, you really have to look at what has happened in Dallas since the end of last season. Avery has set an all-time record for wins by a first year coach . You cant allow that to go uncommended. He has also won coach of the month 3 times out of his first 4 months as an NBA coach. He's getting recognized because he has taken an offensive powerhouse and added toughness and physicality to their style of play, and it's translated into championship basketball. The Mavs are playing better than the Spurs right now, and are looking good heading into the season's second half. Avery has taken the Mavs and moved them into the elite category. He has brought the best out of Dirk, Dampier, Diop, Adrian Griffin, Jason Terry, etc. Dirk is now one of the top couple of players in the league because Avery has made his game more consistent and proportioned his minutes properly. Avery and Dirk are the key to Dallas' success and they are both having great seasons. They are having the type of break out seasons that deserve national accolades. Avery has changed the mimdset of Mav basketball and made it more successful.
Dirk Nowitzki: 25.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.09 bpg, .470 fg%, .892 ft%
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:02 AM   #56
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How on earth anyone can suggest another player over Kobe for MVP is total insanity. The white-coated gentlemen may be paying you a visit.
It's probably because the Lakers are only 25-25 and barely in the playoff hunt.
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:03 AM   #57
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Llama, you are seriously the biggest homer I have ever met.

Wow.
For the record, I believe I'm the world's biggest Mavericks homer.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:52 PM   #58
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Just a few factoids for you guys in ESPiNville, USA...

Dallas is now the best team in the West at 42-11

Avery Johnson is now the All-Star coach due to his team's top record.

Only two team-leading players that score over 25 points and average at least 8 boards have ever lost MVP voting when their team wins games at the pace Dallas is: 78%. One of those was Amare Stoudemire and his teammate Nash won it that season. The other was a Celtic on those powerful Celtic teams. Dirk is the lone all-star on Dallas and has been the most reliable and effective player in the 4th quarter on any team. The guy is the definition of clutch. So which is it...Dallas has an all-star supporting cast, or Dirk is the MVP? After having watched almost every Mav game this season, Dirk is the MVP. It's his year. To snub him would be criminal. Can the excuses. The guy's the MVP.

Avery Johnson has made history as the best first year coach in the NBA annals. That cannot be ignored. Avery Johnson is coach of the year. Period, end of story. How can you say that another coach has done anything to rival making NBA history? We're talking about an all-time great performance here!

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More on Dirk...people are going to use the following argument against him: Chauncey Billups is the MVP because his team is better.

But are they really that much better? Dallas did stomp them by 37 points this season in their only matchup to give the Pistons their first loss. Dallas is 1 1/2 game behind them in the standings in spite of the Pistons' "greatness". Does that make Dallas great too, or does it make the Pistons overrated? Either way, Dallas becomes part of the conversation for the best team in the NBA and that is because of Dirk.

On that same theme (Billups v. Dirk), can you say that Dirk is less dispensible than Billups? Detroit has Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince. 4 out of those 5 starters are all-stars. How many all-stars does Dirk have to play with? ZERO. Not one. Not even close. Dirk is indispensible. If he goes down, Dallas' chances go down with him.

Dirk for MVP. It's a no-brainer.
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I was worried last night when Dirk had to leave the game.

Heard anything on Dirk's ankle, llama?
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I was worried last night when Dirk had to leave the game.

Heard anything on Dirk's ankle, llama?
He sprained it to start the third and came back in the fourth to go for...ahhh...only 11 points and 5 boards to cap off a 32 point 13 board effort. All in a day's work for Dirk.

He and Howard both now have sprains heading into Thursdays all-world clash with San Antonio. Devin Harris and DJ Mbenga are also both injured. Dirk is expected to play, Howard is a maybe, Devin is a probably not, and I dont know about DJ.

Dirk has been the best player in the league since the all-star break. It's time for ESPiN and the rest of the media to sack up, take their lumps, and start admitting that Dirk is the MVP if the season ended today. He's had an outstanding Elway-esque season this year. To deny him first team accolades and an MVP trophy would be criminal at this point.
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Old 02-28-2006, 10:59 AM   #62
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Dirk has been the best player in the league since the all-star break. It's time for ESPiN and the rest of the media to sack up, take their lumps, and start admitting that Dirk is the MVP if the season ended today. He's had an outstanding Elway-esque season this year. To deny him first team accolades and an MVP trophy would be criminal at this point.
You're preaching to the choir. It would be criminal if the Mavs continue at the pace they're on and Dirk doesn't win MVP.
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