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Old 01-24-2006, 05:46 PM   #26
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I've been hit or miss on Cavs games lately, but it's nice to see Bron passing the ball more again. I was getting worried that he was going to get so frustrated he would pull a Kobe. He's better than that. One day we'll see him average a triple double.
It's nice to see him pass, unless it's a last second shot to win the game, which ever since he bricked it against the Lakers, he's passed on it for guys like Eric Snow and Donyell Marshall to take.

Seriously, if I ever have to witness Eric Snow taking the last shot in attempt to either tie or win the game for us, I might just take myself to the hospital right after because I know that either a heart attack or an aneurysm is soon to follow.

We had a nice little 1-5 road trip, lost 3 of those games by a combined 4 points until we all decided to sit on the bench and watch Golden State dismantle them, but we got to play the Jazz, which I'm still unsure if that Utah team could beat the Utah University.
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I'm still unsure if that Utah team could beat the Utah University.
God bless the Northwest division. As for Bron, he'll come around. I'm assuming in high school he didn't exactly have a lot of close games where he had to be clutch. He'll come around, he's too hard of a worker and too good of a player to not.
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Well, that didn't take too long to toss all credibility out the window.
Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.
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God bless the Northwest division. As for Bron, he'll come around. I'm assuming in high school he didn't exactly have a lot of close games where he had to be clutch. He'll come around, he's too hard of a worker and too good of a player to not.

That's the thing, he is only 21 years old.

True he's the chosen one, the king, the next MJ, and all of that other stuff that gets thrown on him, but he's still just ready to hit his prime and soon enough, those shots will fall at the end of the game.

I just hope the Cavs can be competitive enough for him to stick around during his prime years.
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Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.
So Kobe doesn't have three Championships, compared to the Mavericks franchise who is zero for their existence when it comes to Championship hardware?
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You had one chance to really contend for a title, Llama, probably before you were born. Jerry Buss got a wild hair up his ass and nearly tried to trade James Worthy to Dallas for Roy Tarpley and Mark Agguire. Jerry West told the old satyr he would quit on the spot and Buss backed off.
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So Kobe doesn't have three Championships, compared to the Mavericks franchise who is zero for their existence when it comes to Championship hardware?
First, I refuse to call him "Kobe" and will instead go with "Unsavory Character."

Next, I will recall the great Shaq who carried that team to victory like a great center should. And when I evoke that name, the Unsavory Character disappears into a puff of smoke as he flies off on his broom.
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You had one chance to really contend for a title, Llama, probably before you were born. Jerry Buss got a wild hair up his ass and nearly tried to trade James Worthy to Dallas for Roy Tarpley and Mark Agguire. Jerry West told the old satyr he would quit on the spot and Buss backed off.
Yeah..I remember those days. I was still in Oklahoma then, so I didnt get as much information, but that Dallas team took your Laker girls to 7 and nearly pulled it off.

Dallas was also close in '02-'03. I was at the game 6 of the WCF when they lost to the Spurs. Nash was in fine form. Nowitzki missed that game and the previous two games with a severe sprain, and Dallas just couldnt last. If Nowitzki was there, that series would have gone to 7 games and the Mavs could have won. The Finals were a joke after that series. I think that the Spurs waltzed over the Nets in 4 games.
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hahahahahahahha @ AI being a loser. Too funny.
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As for Bron, he'll come around.
Quoted for truth. I remember, years ago, watching this game between the Lakers and Magic. In orlando I believe. Anyways, this is like Kobe's first or second year or something. Maybe 3rd. Anyways, Lakers are losing, down 2 or 3, and Kobe gets the ball in the corner, wide open. I mean, nobody within 5 feet of him type open...

...Brick. Lakers Lose.

Now, Kobe being "open" is having just one guy guarding him, and he nails everything. LeBron will get there.
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hahahahahahahha @ AI being a loser. Too funny.
Maybe loser was a little harsh...his team is an even .500 over his career (excluding this season - where he's a surprising 20-20). 353-353 to be exact. He's one game away from being a loser. My bad. He must be an extremely valuable player in comparison to others in the league when you think about it. He's kept that team mired in mediocrity for a long time. That's hard to do. Especially this season when you have young studs Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver and the smart vet Webber to play with. That team is not short on talent, it's short on shots because Iverson wont give it up to help develop his young guys into winners.

Nowitzki on the other hand is 334-208 for a .623 win % and is working on a 31-10 season right now. Iverson takes more shots and gets more whistles from the refs though, so you're right. He's a winner.

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Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.
The thing is, you seem to ONLY know what goes on in dallas, and not anywhere else.
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The thing is, you seem to ONLY know what goes on in dallas, and not anywhere else.
Nah...I watch basketball of all sorts. I choose to promote Dallas because they deserve it. There is some kind of pervading public attitude about Dallas that mirrors the same one that we Bronco fans had to endure about the Broncos this offseason.

Dallas is for real this season, and right now they look like the best team in the west. That's because of two people: Dirk Nowitzki and Avery Johnson. Guys have been injured on that team all season long, and Dirk has performed miracle after miracle on the floor. There is no other player out there leading a winning club like that. Dallas is playing at a 31-10 clip and has not hit their stride yet. I think that with Duncan's foot injury and Ginobili hobbled, Dallas has to be the favorite for the West's #1 seed. Dallas has been able to overcome those types of injuries this season and has still hung with SA, so we'll see how it goes.

Dallas is 2-1 against San Antonio and Detroit and wore Detroit out handing them their first loss of the season 119-82.
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Maybe loser was a little harsh...his team is an even .500 over his career (excluding this season - where he's a surprising 20-20). 353-353 to be exact. He's one game away from being a loser. My bad. He must be an extremely valuable player in comparison to others in the league when you think about it. He's kept that team mired in mediocrity for a long time. That's hard to do. Especially this season when you have young studs Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver and the smart vet Webber to play with. That team is not short on talent, it's short on shots because Iverson wont give it up to help develop his young guys into winners.

Nowitzki on the other hand is 334-208 for a .623 win % and is working on a 31-10 season right now. Iverson takes more shots and gets more whistles from the refs though, so you're right. He's a winner.
By that logic, AI still kills your boy because he's taken his team to the Finals. He's at least given them a shot to win it all, which is more than we can say for Dirk.

AI is the man, and it's not his fault that early in his career with Philly they've had bad teams, been saddled with long contracts with old players, etc. They have never really had a great team. The team that went to the Finals wasn't even that great.

I'm not taking anything away from Dirk, I think he's a great player. But he's had way more around him then AI has. They've always been more talented and better coached then Philly. To say that AI is bad because his team's record is bad is ludicrous.

But hey, I forgot, this is angry's world, where Dirk gets no props from the media, is the real MVP, etc. Yeah, and AI sucks. So do Kirilenko, Paul Pierce, Jason Richardson, and a lot of guys who have been on bad teams.
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AI is the man, and it's not his fault that early in his career with Philly they've had bad teams, been saddled with long contracts with old players, etc. They have never really had a great team. The team that went to the Finals wasn't even that great.

I'm not taking anything away from Dirk, I think he's a great player. But he's had way more around him then AI has. They've always been more talented and better coached then Philly. To say that AI is bad because his team's record is bad is ludicrous.
As far as I'm concerned, Dallas made it to the Finals in '02-'03 and played the Spurs there...and nearly won. Put Dallas in the East in Iverson's year through today and Dallas waltzes through that conference until the modern Detroit team shows up. ANY NBA PLAYER can put up rediculous scoring statistics. Great ones let the statistics come to them.

Iverson is not a winner because he doesnt care to play team basketball. That team is not short on talent. Iguodala is a 2 way stud, Webber can still play, Korver is a really nice player, and Dalembert is one of the best centers in the NBA. Imagine any of those players in Phoenix. Their offensive stats would be through the ceiling. Especially Dalembert and Iguodala. Nash would make those guys contributors on a winner. That's what I'm talking about. Sacrificing your statistical legacy and your ego to win. Nowitzki and Nash both play by that creed. If your team is bad, then you find a way to make things better. It's obvious that Iverson really doesnt care to do that. He's making his money and guys like Stephen A. Smith are waiting to brown nose him to death. Why should he give up his shots? He's like a rap star.

So who is the better coach? Larry Brown, Don Nelson, or Avery Johnson?
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To answer your last question first, it's Larry Brown. I can't wait to hear why it's not though.

But this has nothing to do with AI's ego. He's a scorer, that is what they pay him to do. Him and Nash are completely different players. Both good at what they do for their teams within their offenses. This year you're right, Philly isn't short on talent, especially in the East, but what have they had for the rest of the years AI has been there? Nothing! Igudala, I agree, good up and coming guy, this is what, his 2nd or 3rd year? They haven't even had Webber a full year. Korver is what, 3rd year too? And Dalembert is nice, but they haven't had him for all that long either, if I'm not mistaken. And he's not "one of the best centers in the NBA" either. They've had some poor teams, and AI has carried them on his back for years.

That's like saying Kobe is a loser this year. No, he's not. What is he supposed to do? Jordan could never do it on his own. The Lakers suck outside of Kobe, period. Odom is decent but the rest are simply not good.

Like I said, if you want to pull up records, fine, but AI is 0-1 in NBA Finals, which is still better then 0-0.
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To answer your last question first, it's Larry Brown. I can't wait to hear why it's not though.
Well, you said that Dirk's had better coaches. The general opinion in media circles is that Brown is one of the best ever.
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Fair enough. But my point is, Dallas is so head and shoulders above Philly in everything, from ownership, to management, etc. When LB was in Philly they had a great coach, but other then that, Dallas kills them in everything, IMO.
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As far as I'm concerned, Dallas made it to the Finals in '02-'03 and played the Spurs there...and nearly won. Put Dallas in the East in Iverson's year through today and Dallas waltzes through that conference until the modern Detroit team shows up. ANY NBA PLAYER can put up rediculous scoring statistics. Great ones let the statistics come to them.

Iverson is not a winner because he doesnt care to play team basketball. That team is not short on talent. Iguodala is a 2 way stud, Webber can still play, Korver is a really nice player, and Dalembert is one of the best centers in the NBA. Imagine any of those players in Phoenix. Their offensive stats would be through the ceiling. Especially Dalembert and Iguodala. Nash would make those guys contributors on a winner. That's what I'm talking about. Sacrificing your statistical legacy and your ego to win. Nowitzki and Nash both play by that creed. If your team is bad, then you find a way to make things better. It's obvious that Iverson really doesnt care to do that. He's making his money and guys like Stephen A. Smith are waiting to brown nose him to death. Why should he give up his shots? He's like a rap star.

So who is the better coach? Larry Brown, Don Nelson, or Avery Johnson?
You have to have a tem around you to be a team player, which Philly has never really given Iverson.

Remember back when Philly had a good team i.e. the team that went to the finals, there were statistics that showed how much better the sixers record was when Iverson put up over 30 shots a game compared to when he puts up less. The sixers needed him to put it up, even if he wasnt hitting the shots, he led that team still.

Ever watch Iverson play D also? The guy can seriously clamp down out there and get steals, he is a very good defensive player.

Say what you want about his chracter, the guy gives 100% out there and is a great player, he is a hardworker out there and does the best to win games.
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You have to have a tem around you to be a team player, which Philly has never really given Iverson.

Remember back when Philly had a good team i.e. the team that went to the finals, there were statistics that showed how much better the sixers record was when Iverson put up over 30 shots a game compared to when he puts up less. The sixers needed him to put it up, even if he wasnt hitting the shots, he led that team still.

Ever watch Iverson play D also? The guy can seriously clamp down out there and get steals, he is a very good defensive player.

Say what you want about his chracter, the guy gives 100% out there and is a great player, he is a hardworker out there and does the best to win games.
Yeah...I dont deny that he's a tough player and one that tries, but he's not very smart.
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Here's some info on Iverson from Chris Broussard (ironically published Sunday, and I just found it on ESPN.com) that supports my assertions about his inability to cohere with teammates...

"A league source told me Chris Webber went off in the Sixers' locker room after the demolition by the Wizards. Frustrated by the team's mediocrity, Webber yelled at coaches and players alike while saying, in essence, he never gets the ball.

I'm not sure if he named Iverson directly, but I'm told it was clear he was calling out A.I., who dominates the rock and is averaging a whopping 25.8 shots a game, second only to King Kobe."


"A scout told me this week that Philly's defensive problems begin with A.I. and end with C-Webb. He said the fact that A.I. applies no pressure whatsoever when opposing point guards bring the ball up court allows teams to get into their offense too easily."

"Still, I (and to be honest, most execs around the league) wonder whether you can win big with A.I. dominating the rock so much. There's no doubt he is spectacular, arguably the best little man ever next to Isiah (he's ahead of Tiny in my book and only John Stockton compares).

I said before the season that A.I. probably should let Webber handle it more (because of his passing ability) and drop to about 24 ppg so Iguodala and John Salmons can get more involved. I don't know if that would make the Sixers win more, but a coach told me this week that A.I.'s dominance has stunted the growth of Iguodala, who just about everyone thinks can be a star."

Broussard closes with this gem:

"If A.I. pulled back a bit offensively, it would allow him to exert more energy on defense, which would go a long way in solving the Sixers' No. 1 problem.

My guess is that nothing will change in Philly: They'll deny that any rift, or tension, exists between their stars; A.I. will challenge Kobe for the scoring and launches-per-game titles; and the Sixers will finish around .500, seventh in the East.

Then they'll get shellacked by Miami in the first round of the playoffs."

As Jim Rome would say: "Rack him."

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fyi, llama ... dirk was voted european player of the year with 378 votes ... jasiskevicius came second and tony parker third. dirk was unbelievable in the european championships where he carried the team to the final by himself.
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fyi, llama ... dirk was voted european player of the year with 378 votes ... jasiskevicius came second and tony parker third. dirk was unbelievable in the european championships where he carried the team to the final by himself.
Yeah...I read that today. He deserves it. I'm glad that he can get recognition over there. He is one of the top couple of players in the world and is right near the top of his game after turning 27 this year. We're only seeing the beginning of Dirk's best years. I wouldnt doubt that he wins the euro championships at some point over the next couple of seasons.

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Just to reinforce my brilliant opinions (wait...they're not opinions, they're fact!)...

Avery Johnson was named WC coach of the month again. That's the third time out of the 4 months that he's been an NBA head coach that he's won the award. Dallas has also won 10 games in a row, all of which they held their opponents to under 100 points, setting a franchise record. Dallas has held its opponents in this streak to under 87 ppg and 41.5% FG shooting. That's good defense, people!

Barring a complete collapse, Avery is headed for coach of the year.
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And ANOTHER season in which the Mavs fall short of the NBA finals.
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