Pete Townshend Warns iPod Users - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 01-04-2006, 12:16 PM

I can testify from experience what loud noise does to your hearing.
Earphones are bad but earphones that plug into your ear are REALLY bad!

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Pete Townshend Warns iPod Users
LONDON -
Pete Townshend has warned iPod users they may face hearing problems if they don't turn down the volume.

Townshend, guitarist in '60s rock band The Who, said his hearing has been irreversibly damaged by years of using studio headphones and he must now take 36-hour breaks between recording sessions.

"Hearing loss is a terrible thing because it cannot be repaired," he said on his Web site. "If you use an iPod or anything like it, or your child uses one, you MAY be OK. ... But my intuition tells me there is terrible trouble ahead."

The Who were famous for their earsplitting live performances, but Townshend, 60, said his problem was caused by using earphones in the recording studio.

"I have unwittingly helped to invent and refine a type of music that makes its principal components deaf," he said.

Referring to the increasingly popular practice of downloading music from the Internet, Townshend said: "The downside may be that on our computers — for privacy, for respect to family and co-workers, and for convenience — we use earphones at almost every stage of interaction with sound."
http://tinyurl.com/9kzd7

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Cranked-Up Music on Headphones Can Lead to Hearing Loss
Newswise — Nothing is innately unhealthy about listening to iPods and other MP3 players, but listening to them with the volume turned up too high can cause lasting damage and irreversible hearing loss, a University of Michigan audiologist cautions.

Listeners should avoid blasting the sound so high that they can’t hear surrounding conversations or so that others can hear the music from the listener’s headphones or earbuds, says Paul R. Kileny, Ph.D., director of audiology in the U-M Department of Otolaryngology.

“These portable devices are not inherently harmful to hearing because of the way they are coupled to the ear, but there are certainly safe levels at which one can listen to them,” Kileny says. “My recommendation is to listen at such a level that one can still hear conversation and other people in their environment do not accuse them of shouting when they attempt to converse.”

The effects of listening to music turned up too loudly can be permanent, Kileny says. He notes that he and other doctors in his field are seeing more and more young people with noise-induced hearing loss.

“As you pass some of these young people, you can actually hear the music radiating from under those little headphones,” says Kileny, also a professor in the Department of Pediatrics and Communicable Diseases and a member of the Geriatrics Center. “That is a sure sign that the individual listening to that music is listening at a level that is too loud, and, therefore, in the long run is risky to the status of their hearing.”

While it is ultimately up to listeners to control the sound emanating from their headphones, Kileny and other audiologists recommend that sound controls built in to the devices would be extremely helpful in encouraging people to keep the volume at reasonable levels. In turn, such controls could help reduce the number of people with early sound-induced hearing loss, he says.

“With these personal audio players, there are no built-in electronic safety cut-offs or safety devices that preclude listening at a dangerous level or that at least inform the wearer that he or she has reached a level which might be risky to hearing,” Kileny says. “It’s very simple technology that could be built into these devices.”

The controls could be as simple and unobtrusive as a warning light that turns on when the sound surpasses a certain decibel level, he says. That could be especially useful for people who tend to listen to music through headphones or earbuds in noisy places, such as buses or subways, he says.

In addition to hearing loss, listening to music too loudly can lead to tinnitus, a ringing, whistling or clicking sound in the ears. The American Tinnitus Association estimates that up to 90 percent of all tinnitus patients have some level of noise-induced hearing loss.

“Any kind of sound – whether it’s pleasant, such as music, or unpleasant, such as noise – can cause hearing loss at excessive levels,” Kileny says. “The way this happens is that the excessive sound level or noise level will act upon the sensitive receptor cells inside the inner ear – the so-called hair cells. Due to excessive, if you will, exercise that those hair cells undergo under these conditions, damage will occur.

“That damage might be temporary, after a brief exposure, and then if you rest your ear for a certain amount of time, much of the hearing loss caused by this damage might resolve itself,” he says. “But then, as you add more and more episodes of this kind of exposure, ultimately the damage is going to be permanent.”

Years ago, U-M conducted research on hearing loss related to the then-popular Walkman and similar personal stereos. They found hearing loss in young people, but not at the levels they are seeing with modern devices.

“Somewhere between 10 and 15 years ago, we did some research at the University of Michigan looking at levels at which people at that time listened to the Walkman,” he says. “We are now seeing relatively young people who present with unexplained hearing losses, and to some extent, it can be traced back to those habits.”

Even then, though, the damage might not have been as severe as with modern-day devices, Kileny notes. Whereas people listened to the Walkman for short periods while exercising, they “were not coupled to them eight hours a day,” Kileny says.

“The current devices are in constant use hours and hours every day, so I am concerned we are going to have even earlier occurrences of sound-induced hearing loss,” Kileny says.

Facts about noise-induced hearing loss:
• More than 30 million Americans are exposed to hazardous sound levels on a regular basis, according to the National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders.

• Noises above 85 decibels are considered hazardous. MP3 players can go to 100 decibels. Some of the decibel levels of other common sounds include: firearms, 140-170; rock concert, 110-120; some children’s toys, up to 110; snowmobile, 100; motorcycles and lawnmowers, 90, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians.

• Early signs of noise-induced hearing loss include: Having trouble understanding what people say, especially in crowded rooms; needing to turn the television sound higher; having to ask people to repeat what they just said to you; not being able to hear high-pitched sounds, like a baby crying or a telephone ringing in another room, according to the AAFP.

For more information, visit these Web sites:

National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders: Noise-induced hearing loss
http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/noise.asp

American Academy of Family Physicians: How to Prevent Noise-Induced Hearing Loss http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000501/2759ph.html

American Academy of Audiology
http://www.audiology.org

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/516928/?sc=rsmn

Smiling Assassin27 · 01-04-2006, 12:33 PM

what?

Spider · 01-04-2006, 12:43 PM

couldnt hear you . let me turn down the stereo

alkemical · 01-04-2006, 01:08 PM

i had a drum set in a 9'x11' room - with my full 5pc kit and some guitar players - i was dumb and didn't wear ear plugs. I have trouble hearing in crowds now. I wish i would have protected them better.

Bronco_Beerslug · 01-05-2006, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

i had a drum set in a 9'x11' room - with my full 5pc kit and some guitar players - i was dumb and didn't wear ear plugs. I have trouble hearing in crowds now. I wish i would have protected them better.

People don't take noise pollution seriously and regret it when they find they can't hear when they get a little older. It's no fun losing you're hearing. Most people really don't realize what they take for granted until they lose it. Imagine not being able to hear a great movie or listening to what you think is a great tune but you're not sure because you're hearing it in mono or not being able to hear exactly what your kids are saying because you're were stupid when you're younger..

OrangeShadow · 01-05-2006, 03:08 PM

i listen to the music in my car loud but my windows are down most of the time.

Hogan11 · 01-05-2006, 04:46 PM

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• Early signs of noise-induced hearing loss include: Having trouble understanding what people say, especially in crowded rooms; needing to turn the television sound higher; having to ask people to repeat what they just said to you; not being able to hear high-pitched sounds, like a baby crying or a telephone ringing in another room, according to the AAFP.

Well, this is about where I'm at seriously....although I see benefits in not hearing babies cry or telephones ring myself, so I guess that's the bright side of it.

alkemical · 01-06-2006, 07:34 AM

yeah if i'm somewhere that has a loud hvac system or lots of filtering noise - it's tough to hear people.

alkemical · 01-06-2006, 09:42 AM

townsand should also state the dangers of certain web sites.

01-04-2006, 12:16 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Pete Townshend Warns iPod Users I can testify from experience what loud noise does to your hearing. Earphones are bad but earphones that plug into your ear are REALLY bad! -------------------------------------------------- Pete Townshend Warns iPod Users LONDON - Pete Townshend has warned iPod users they may face hearing problems if they don't turn down the volume. Townshend, guitarist in '60s rock band The Who, said his hearing has been irreversibly damaged by years of using studio headphones and he must now take 36-hour breaks between recording sessions. "Hearing loss is a terrible thing because it cannot be repaired," he said on his Web site. "If you use an iPod or anything like it, or your child uses one, you MAY be OK. ... But my intuition tells me there is terrible trouble ahead." The Who were famous for their earsplitting live performances, but Townshend, 60, said his problem was caused by using earphones in the recording studio. "I have unwittingly helped to invent and refine a type of music that makes its principal components deaf," he said. Referring to the increasingly popular practice of downloading music from the Internet, Townshend said: "The downside may be that on our computers — for privacy, for respect to family and co-workers, and for convenience — we use earphones at almost every stage of interaction with sound." http://tinyurl.com/9kzd7 --------------------------------------------------------------- Cranked-Up Music on Headphones Can Lead to Hearing Loss Newswise — Nothing is innately unhealthy about listening to iPods and other MP3 players, but listening to them with the volume turned up too high can cause lasting damage and irreversible hearing loss, a University of Michigan audiologist cautions. Listeners should avoid blasting the sound so high that they can’t hear surrounding conversations or so that others can hear the music from the listener’s headphones or earbuds, says Paul R. Kileny, Ph.D., director of audiology in the U-M Department of Otolaryngology. “These portable devices are not inherently harmful to hearing because of the way they are coupled to the ear, but there are certainly safe levels at which one can listen to them,” Kileny says. “My recommendation is to listen at such a level that one can still hear conversation and other people in their environment do not accuse them of shouting when they attempt to converse.” The effects of listening to music turned up too loudly can be permanent, Kileny says. He notes that he and other doctors in his field are seeing more and more young people with noise-induced hearing loss. “As you pass some of these young people, you can actually hear the music radiating from under those little headphones,” says Kileny, also a professor in the Department of Pediatrics and Communicable Diseases and a member of the Geriatrics Center. “That is a sure sign that the individual listening to that music is listening at a level that is too loud, and, therefore, in the long run is risky to the status of their hearing.” While it is ultimately up to listeners to control the sound emanating from their headphones, Kileny and other audiologists recommend that sound controls built in to the devices would be extremely helpful in encouraging people to keep the volume at reasonable levels. In turn, such controls could help reduce the number of people with early sound-induced hearing loss, he says. “With these personal audio players, there are no built-in electronic safety cut-offs or safety devices that preclude listening at a dangerous level or that at least inform the wearer that he or she has reached a level which might be risky to hearing,” Kileny says. “It’s very simple technology that could be built into these devices.” The controls could be as simple and unobtrusive as a warning light that turns on when the sound surpasses a certain decibel level, he says. That could be especially useful for people who tend to listen to music through headphones or earbuds in noisy places, such as buses or subways, he says. In addition to hearing loss, listening to music too loudly can lead to tinnitus, a ringing, whistling or clicking sound in the ears. The American Tinnitus Association estimates that up to 90 percent of all tinnitus patients have some level of noise-induced hearing loss. “Any kind of sound – whether it’s pleasant, such as music, or unpleasant, such as noise – can cause hearing loss at excessive levels,” Kileny says. “The way this happens is that the excessive sound level or noise level will act upon the sensitive receptor cells inside the inner ear – the so-called hair cells. Due to excessive, if you will, exercise that those hair cells undergo under these conditions, damage will occur. “That damage might be temporary, after a brief exposure, and then if you rest your ear for a certain amount of time, much of the hearing loss caused by this damage might resolve itself,” he says. “But then, as you add more and more episodes of this kind of exposure, ultimately the damage is going to be permanent.” Years ago, U-M conducted research on hearing loss related to the then-popular Walkman and similar personal stereos. They found hearing loss in young people, but not at the levels they are seeing with modern devices. “Somewhere between 10 and 15 years ago, we did some research at the University of Michigan looking at levels at which people at that time listened to the Walkman,” he says. “We are now seeing relatively young people who present with unexplained hearing losses, and to some extent, it can be traced back to those habits.” Even then, though, the damage might not have been as severe as with modern-day devices, Kileny notes. Whereas people listened to the Walkman for short periods while exercising, they “were not coupled to them eight hours a day,” Kileny says. “The current devices are in constant use hours and hours every day, so I am concerned we are going to have even earlier occurrences of sound-induced hearing loss,” Kileny says. Facts about noise-induced hearing loss: • More than 30 million Americans are exposed to hazardous sound levels on a regular basis, according to the National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders. • Noises above 85 decibels are considered hazardous. MP3 players can go to 100 decibels. Some of the decibel levels of other common sounds include: firearms, 140-170; rock concert, 110-120; some children’s toys, up to 110; snowmobile, 100; motorcycles and lawnmowers, 90, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians. • Early signs of noise-induced hearing loss include: Having trouble understanding what people say, especially in crowded rooms; needing to turn the television sound higher; having to ask people to repeat what they just said to you; not being able to hear high-pitched sounds, like a baby crying or a telephone ringing in another room, according to the AAFP. For more information, visit these Web sites: National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders: Noise-induced hearing loss http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/noise.asp American Academy of Family Physicians: How to Prevent Noise-Induced Hearing Loss http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000501/2759ph.html American Academy of Audiology http://www.audiology.org http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/516928/?sc=rsmn

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01-04-2006, 12:33 PM	#2
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 11,104 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	what?

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Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	couldnt hear you . let me turn down the stereo

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	i had a drum set in a 9'x11' room - with my full 5pc kit and some guitar players - i was dumb and didn't wear ear plugs. I have trouble hearing in crowds now. I wish i would have protected them better.

01-05-2006, 03:08 PM	#6
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	i listen to the music in my car loud but my windows are down most of the time.

01-06-2006, 07:34 AM	#8
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	yeah if i'm somewhere that has a loud hvac system or lots of filtering noise - it's tough to hear people.

01-06-2006, 09:42 AM	#9
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	townsand should also state the dangers of certain web sites.