EA finally getting sued

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

Union local nutjob of course is outraged even though he has neither the intellect to do the job or the compunction to try.

Programmers are a different breed and every one that I know stays up 18 hours a day looking at code whether they are working or not.

They can also choose to look for another job. Clearly they are marketable and talented because they are in the industry but they stay there.

No one's fault but their own and anyone b****ing about this is just another union dog.

What hasn't been pointed out here is that most of the developers who leave EA are not fired or layed off. Job burnout is the leadin complaint. It's got to be bad if people who normally spend hours and hours each day looking at code are getting burned out.

Ben

[Samiwindr]

What hasn't been pointed out here is that most of the developers who leave EA are not fired or layed off. Job burnout is the leadin complaint. It's got to be bad if people who normally spend hours and hours each day looking at code are getting burned out.

Exactly. Working at EA is a lot like being a school teacher. You do it because of the passion for the job and not necessarily the money. It's a great situation for EA becuase they can keep salaries down and keep jacking up the cost of games every few years. I'm sure Madden 2K6 will be up to 69.99 - a 15% increase in margin on product for the cost of 2-3% in SG&A. Great stock to own - horrible company to work for.

BTW, I don't understand the anger that non-union middle class people have against unions. Sure, mos are nearly as corrupt as the companies they are trying to protect the workers from, but you make it sound like workers being paid fairly is a bad thing. We may well benefit in the near future from several union's mandatory pension plans as they help alleviate what will surely be huge budgetary pressures resulting from the draws on social security.

As a concept, unions are a great idea. The problem is that we humans tend to take great concepts like the union, the corporations, the HMO, the charity organization or representative democracy and turn them into despotic infestations of corruption. Unions shouldn't have so much power, but if you think about it, neither should corporations. Over the years we have slowly built a legal case to define coporations as individuals, therefore conveying upon them the same rights as individuals. We may pierce the corporate veil on occasion, but it still protects individuals for the most part from being held accountable for their actions.

Don't go spewing anti-union sentiment simply because you were taught unions were evil around the same time everyone drove around with the bumpersticker of Mickey Mouse proudly proclaiming "**** you Ayatollah!" There was a time when unions were necessary and there may well be again someday.

Anyway, Madden and NHL 2K4 rock.

Go Broncos!

[Deberg_1990]

Why is it that once a company becomes Big and successful everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and "hate" on them?? I.E. Microsoft, Wal-Mart etc...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why is it that once a company becomes Big and successful everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and "hate" on them?? I.E. Microsoft, Wal-Mart etc...

It's not EVERY company. Microsoft pays their employees very well and provides them with great benefits! Wal-Mart pays their employees like sh*t and over half no benefits.

The perception though has its merits. Many companies after reaching a certain level no longer care about their employees nearly as much as they care about huge profits.

[missingnumber7]

Originally Posted by hotrod

thats the real issue here

I wanna know how it costs 49.99 for madden and ESPN only costs 29.99

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why is it that once a company becomes Big and successful everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and "hate" on them?? I.E. Microsoft, Wal-Mart etc...

There is a decent size segment of this country that love to prop someone up when they are down and want to rip them a part when they are on top...

It's the pulling for the underdog while hating against the dynasty mentality. You see it in sports as much as anything. Kinda like Slugs Dungy/Manning thread. It's killing a lot of folks to watch Manning rip apart NFL defenses with such ease.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

I wanna know how it costs 49.99 for madden and ESPN only costs 29.99

... because Madden is the undisputed king of gaming football, and the people at ESPN know this. The only way they were going to break into Madden's dominance was by drastically lowering their price. I think their strategy worked, I've heard many people talk about buying 2k5 because of the cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the cost for the game is more in line with Madden next year though.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Solo

... because Madden is the undisputed king of gaming football, and the people at ESPN know this. The only way they were going to break into Madden's dominance was by drastically lowering their price. I think their strategy worked, I've heard many people talk about buying 2k5 because of the cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the cost for the game is more in line with Madden next year though.

I bought it for that purpose...Picked it up for $19.99 and said what the heck...After about 30 mins of playing it I threw it back in the cabinet and said well at least I only lost $19.99.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I bought it for that purpose...Picked it up for $19.99 and said what the heck...After about 30 mins of playing it I threw it back in the cabinet and said well at least I only lost $19.99.

I forgot, they were getting rid of it for only $19.99. Plus, they released it early to try to get a jump on Madden. Even so, when Madden came out people were lined up at every gaming store in town eager to lay down the $49.99, or $59.99 for the collector's edition.

I've never played 2k5 myself, but I know some football gaming fanatics who agree with you and wouldn't touch the game if you gave it to them. Still, I'm sure there are people who love the game and are very happy they saved some money.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Solo

I've never played 2k5 myself, but I know some football gaming fanatics who agree with you and wouldn't touch the game if you gave it to them. Still, I'm sure there are people who love the game and are very happy they saved some money.

To be honest if I took the time and gave it a fair shake it may not be bad at all...but the action buttons were quite a bit different than Madden and EA's College Football and having played them for years it was just too much change for me to care to deal with.

[NaptownChief]

I was so upset about this whole issue that I picked up a new copy of Madden last night for PS2 while I was out shopping. I'm not going to put up with this kind of behavior from EA.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

There is a decent size segment of this country that love to prop someone up when they are down and want to rip them a part when they are on top...

It's the pulling for the underdog while hating against the dynasty mentality. You see it in sports as much as anything. Kinda like Slugs Dungy/Manning thread. It's killing a lot of folks to watch Manning rip apart NFL defenses with such ease.

Youve just hit the nail on the head my friend. I guess its human nature to act this way somewhat.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I just don't understand Yoda's apparent enjoyment to see an American company get kicked in the wallet because they have been successful.

I think you are reading too much into it when you throw in the "because they have been successful." I don't think anybody is disparaging success. I think they are disparaging poor employment practices.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Samiwindr

BTW, I don't understand the anger that non-union middle class people have against unions.

I don't either. Unions are what's going to save the American economy once they spread around the world and take root in these places that American jobs are being shipped to.

I can't think of any time that I disfavor groups of people allying themselves in order to form a body of representation. Sounds like the market in action to me. Without a doubt some of these organizations shoot themselves in the foot. That's what they get for playing with fire.

[bendog]

I'm non union. I worked in a biz where part of it was union .... it was a sort of a holding company that had several small/closed corps housed under one physical roof. I didn't like the way the union did its biz. Consequently, I never wanted to be in a union. But, I don't understand why the US has free trade with countries that don't allow workers to unionize. That seems to me is sort of suicidal. Unless you are really rich. Then it's prolly good biz.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Youve just hit the nail on the head my friend. I guess its human nature to act this way somewhat.

Not Human nature, but Cultural and Social in reality. Sex is Human nature, Rascism and this phenomena are learned behaviors.

[football idiot]

humans, by NATURE, are far from perfect. easily corrupted by money, POWER, and the like.

if the above is true, then any organization made of humans, is also going to be plagued by their shortcomings.....

this is the problem with big corporations. the entity exists purely to make money for its shareholders, and to overpay its top executives. it's not like a good small business where the guys on top know everybody working for them on a personal level and takes care of them like family. of course, many small family-owned businesses are just as corrupt, backward, and political as corporate america, so it doesn't matter. just as there are no perfect people, there are no perfect organizations, governments, businesses, or unions. it is human nature, or some derivative of it.

[Taco John]

Are you calling my Mom a liar?