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Old 06-23-2014, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Tax payer burden of illegal immigration in California

http://immigrationreform.com/2014/06...in-california/


"Yesterday, FAIR released a new study examining the taxpayer burden of illegal immigration in California, which found providing education, health care, law enforcement, and social and government services to illegal aliens and their dependents costs California taxpayers $25.3 billion a year. This is an increase of some $4.7 billion since FAIR’s 2010 study was released. These costs amount to a $2,370 a year burden per California household headed by a U.S. citizen."
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Default Latino lawmakers move to reverse decades of anti-immigrant legislation....

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"Flexing its growing clout in Sacramento, this generation of legislators is returning to the 1990s-era fights that propelled them into politics. On Monday, they will mark 20 years since Proposition 187 — the landmark initiative withholding public services such as healthcare and education from those in the country illegally — qualified for the ballot."

GEE!!! Nobody saw THAT coming!! If you leftists think productivity flight from California is bad now you isn't seen nothing yet..
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I can believe that. They also contribute to the high teenage unemployment rate.
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But pelosi is running around demanding everyone call these kids coming over the border an "opportunity"! Not a crisis.

She is in full agreement of the cartels. Pelosi just needs to dig a hole and slither in it.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:08 PM   #5
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But pelosi is running around demanding everyone call these kids coming over the border an "opportunity"! Not a crisis.

She is in full agreement of the cartels. Pelosi just needs to dig a hole and slither in it.
Indeed. She is complicit in undermining our nation and is a despicable human being.
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Calif needs to send the feds a bill for that ****. It's ****ed up Calif gets screwed.
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i believe we are watching in real time the changing of the guard in the USA. it will look and act quite differently in the future. for good or ill.
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i believe we are watching in real time the changing of the guard in the USA. it will look and act quite differently in the future. for good or ill.
That's the problem with illegal immigration on the southern border, the possibility of things changing for the better is so very slim except for a portion of the Hispanic community. These aren't engineers and scientists crossing the border. They are people that come with problems and those problems will multiply when they are forced to realize that the lies they were spread about how easy it is to get work and make a living in the US are BS.

The only people that truly win here are 50 percent of the politicians in Washington and they barely try to hide that fact.
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Basically, NAFTA drove the most uneducated Mexicans and Central Americans out of work and toward El Norte.

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oh wow! we are finally going to have a kick ass soccer team!
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Obama the dictator is going to use his dictator style to impose his own immigration laws.

This country is in full free fall mode. Never have I seen such a ****ed up administration.
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Obama the dictator is going to use his dictator style to impose his own immigration laws.

This country is in full free fall mode. Never have I seen such a ****ed up administration.
Really! Did you just 6 years ago start following politics? Was GWB being a dictator with all his EOs? I don't remember any rightards complaining about it then.
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Really! Did you just 6 years ago start following politics? Was GWB being a dictator with all his EOs? I don't remember any rightards complaining about it then.
I'll break this down for you since you can't understand the difference. It's the WAY he's using executive order. He's using them to alter his own legislation. If congress won't act its one thing, but when congress passes the legislation he's changing that's totally different. That's a joke. He's used executive order to PREVENT legislation from going through(Rubio/dream act scenario). Then he commands sweeping executive power on some issues, while saying he's got no power on other issues. He's a joke.
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I'll break this down for you since you can't understand the difference. It's the WAY he's using executive order. He's using them to alter his own legislation. If congress won't act its one thing, but when congress passes the legislation he's changing that's totally different. That's a joke. He's used executive order to PREVENT legislation from going through(Rubio/dream act scenario). Then he commands sweeping executive power on some issues, while saying he's got no power on other issues. He's a joke.
BS. Just cause you and other conservatives out there don't like it doesn't mean his EOs are any less valid/legal as they were in any previous admin.
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Not sure of Drunken understands how or what an E.O. is.
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oh wow! we are finally going to have a kick ass soccer team!


Actually, the Dutch just took Mexico out. How do you lose to the Dutch?
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Basically, NAFTA drove the most uneducated Mexicans and Central Americans out of work and toward El Norte.
This has been going on before NAFTA.
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This has been going on before NAFTA.
It was greatly exacerbated by NAFTA, as this paper points out:

One of the largely overlooked aspects of the North American Free Trade Agreement is the fact that the failed trade pact has been the catalyst for the massive increase in illegal immigration over the past two decades or so.

An influx of highly subsidized corn flooding the Mexican market has displaced millions of rural farmers, according to McClatchy Newspapers. Prior to the implementation of NAFTA, Mexican officials claimed that factory jobs would fill the void left by disappearing work on family farms.


Mexican officials had promised that NAFTA would result in the “export of goods, not people.” That, however, has turned out to be far from reality.

Since NAFTA was signed into law, illegal immigrants in the U.S. has increased to 12 million today from 3.9 million in 1993, accounting for an overall increase of over 300 percent. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, 57 percent of those entering the country illegally are from Mexico.


“The numbers of people displaced from family farming were much, much higher than the number of new wage jobs,” Jonathan Fox, an expert on rural Mexico at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told McClatchy Newspapers.

Those displaced workers are largely the result of U.S. corn exports to Mexico. Heavily subsidized American Agribusiness not only put hundreds of thousands of American family farms out of business, but also dumped billions of dollars worth of American agricultural products into the Mexican market, putting millions of peasant farmers out of business.
http://economyincrisis.org/content/i...tion-and-nafta

Turns out that Bubba ****ed us coming and going. But agribusiness in America absolutely loved him. No doubt they can't wait for Hillary.
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It was greatly exacerbated by NAFTA, as this paper points out:

One of the largely overlooked aspects of the North American Free Trade Agreement is the fact that the failed trade pact has been the catalyst for the massive increase in illegal immigration over the past two decades or so.

An influx of highly subsidized corn flooding the Mexican market has displaced millions of rural farmers, according to McClatchy Newspapers. Prior to the implementation of NAFTA, Mexican officials claimed that factory jobs would fill the void left by disappearing work on family farms.


Mexican officials had promised that NAFTA would result in the “export of goods, not people.” That, however, has turned out to be far from reality.

Since NAFTA was signed into law, illegal immigrants in the U.S. has increased to 12 million today from 3.9 million in 1993, accounting for an overall increase of over 300 percent. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, 57 percent of those entering the country illegally are from Mexico.


“The numbers of people displaced from family farming were much, much higher than the number of new wage jobs,” Jonathan Fox, an expert on rural Mexico at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told McClatchy Newspapers.

Those displaced workers are largely the result of U.S. corn exports to Mexico. Heavily subsidized American Agribusiness not only put hundreds of thousands of American family farms out of business, but also dumped billions of dollars worth of American agricultural products into the Mexican market, putting millions of peasant farmers out of business.
http://economyincrisis.org/content/i...tion-and-nafta

Turns out that Bubba ****ed us coming and going. But agribusiness in America absolutely loved him. No doubt they can't wait for Hillary.
Interesting because NAFTA was originally intended to help Mexico grow their economy to prevent the mass influx of illegal immigration here in the United States. It looks like we gave Mexico our manufacturing jobs while putting Mexico's agriculture business out of commission, and as a result, Mexico's economy went into the dumps. The main problem was, Mexico did not fulfill its promises to Clinton/United States.

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But today the number of illegal migrants has only continued to rise. Why didn’t Nafta curb this immigration? The answer is complicated, of course. But a major factor lies in the assumptions made in drafting the trade agreement, assumptions about the way governments would behave (that is, rationally) and the way markets would respond (rationally, as well).

Neither happened, yet Nafta remains the model for trade agreements with developing Latin countries, including the Central American Free Trade Agreement, passed by Congress in 2005. Three more Nafta-like agreements are now pending in Congress — with Panama, Columbia and Peru.

When Nafta finally became a reality, on Jan. 1, 1994, American investment flooded into Mexico, mostly to finance factories that manufacture automobiles, appliances, TV sets, apparel and the like. The expectation was that the Mexican government would do its part by investing billions of dollars in roads, schooling, sanitation, housing and other needs to accommodate the new factories as they spread through the country.

It was more than an expectation. Many Mexican officials in the government of President Carlos Salinas de Gortari assured the Clinton administration that the investment would take place, and believed it themselves, said Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington who campaigned for Nafta in the early 1990s.

“It just did not happen,” he said

Absent that investment, foreign factories congregated in the north, within 300 miles of the American border, where some infrastructure already existed. “Monterrey is quite good,” Mr. Hufbauer said, “but in a lot of other cities the infrastructure is terrible, not even enough running water or electricity in poor neighborhoods. People get temporary jobs, but that is all.”

Meanwhile, Mexican manufacturers, once protected by tariffs on a host of products, were driven out of business as less expensive, higher quality merchandise flowed into the country. Later, China, with its even-cheaper labor, added to the pressure, luring away manufacturers and jobs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/we...elle.html?_r=0


In other words, Mexico did jack **** in investing in their own country. It's known that they encourage their citizens to go to the United States for work and they send that money back to their families in Mexico. This isn't a United States issue, this is a Mexico issue. We had 5 presidents, 3 Republican and 2 Democrats that have dealt with this issue and nothing has changed. Why? Mexico. Now, I don't blame families south of the border for coming to the Border, they got mouths to feed etc. but their government needs to take care of their own problems and the only way they begin to do that, is if we put up a border wall to stem the flow of immigrants.
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Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. It also is number two on the list of most economically unequal. If Bubba thought that was going to change just because he sat down and had a heart to heart with Gortari, then he should return the money for that Rhodes scholarship.
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Not sure what NAFTA has caused but it was a bipartisan **** job, if it was a **** job.
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we would be better off finishing the Mexican American War and taking control over the failed state formerly known as Mexico.

then our CIA could grow their drugs, we could GMO their farms, frack their lands and striptease their girls in casinos. Oh, and tax their asses into submission.

damn. capitalism at its finest!
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Invading Mexico would be a bad idea lol. Too many of them here to rise up and make us like Afghanistan.
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What's funny is Mexicans saying the Southwest US is their rightful homeland. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Mexico became independent from Spain in 1821 and claimed the Southwestern US for itself for 14 years until 1835, when Texas gained independence from Mexico. By 1847, the US claimed all the territory to California after the Mexican-American War.

So, California was a Mexican territory for 26 years right after Mexico became a nation. Mexico couldn't hold it as a territory, and no Mexicans lived there except in a couple missionary churches. The US gained independence from Great Britain nearly 50 years before Mexico gained Independence from Spain. The US acquired the Louisiana purchase from France while Mexico was still a territory of Spain.

The Mexican people themselves are descendants from Spain (all but 5% of the indigenous population was killed off by small pox).

If anything, the Hopi, Navajo, and Apache have claim over the Southwestern US. Not descendants of Spanish immigrants who have never lived there.
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Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. It also is number two on the list of most economically unequal. If Bubba thought that was going to change just because he sat down and had a heart to heart with Gortari, then he should return the money for that Rhodes scholarship.
Agreed with all that but to my earlier point, the stream of illegal immigrants to California started way back in the 1940s, even earlier, under a work program. NAFTA played a small role in the increase of people coming over the border. What caused Mexico's economy to plunge was currency manipulation and massive debt, which have nothing to do with NAFTA.


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The first year of the post-NAFTA period was characterized by a severe macroeconomic crisis that began in December of 1994. In that month, Mexico experienced a large devaluation and it was closed to incur in a financial default. The fiscal and macroeconomic adjustment of 1995, led to a sharp and steep decline in economic activity during 1995 (a contraction of 8% in per capita GDP). Later on, from 1995 to 2000, the domestic economy recovered relatively fast mainly based on an important increase in Mexican exports to the U.S. market. Between 1995 and 2000 Mexico’s per capita GDP grew at a rate of 4% per year.
People have been coming through from Mexico for many years, and increasingly so since President Reagan and a Democrat congress agreed on amnesty.
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