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Old 06-27-2014, 01:57 PM   #5451
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:09 PM   #5452
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Still would not call that franchise "storied'

Storied is the Yankees, the Red Sox, The Celtics, the 49ers, the Lakers.

Even the Broncos are not in the "storied" category yet.
Steelers, packers, 49ers and Giants. Those are the teams I would say are storied.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:15 PM   #5453
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The Raiders actually have a competent GM. It will be interesting to see how that translates over the next few years.

I fully expect the Chiefs to take a big step back this season. They won't get that string of sequential back up QB's again. And the lucky breaks will go away (a guy muffing a punt just when they need him to with no pressure.) They have also always been on a cycle of one good year and then a couple years of mediocrity or complete suck. Observe:

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Wow, i knew the Chiefs were bad, but not that bad.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:51 PM   #5454
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The Raiders have a competent GM? Based on? And the Chiefs don't? Hell John Dorsey is 2-0 with double digit wins over the Raiders GM and got the Chiefs a winning record in his first year. Oakland hasn't had a winning record since 2002.

Is Gaylore just this stupid or is it low testosterone?
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:35 PM   #5455
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I wouldn't say oakland has a competent GM just because he's had one decent draft. Up to this point, he's sucked bad.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:37 PM   #5456
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Steelers, packers, 49ers and Giants. Those are the teams I would say are storied.
Giants? Packers? Steelers and Niners are the only 2 that should get that label.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:50 PM   #5457
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Giants? Packers? Steelers and Niners are the only 2 that should get that label.
I guess I can see the Giants, but Packers? They have won SB's with different QB's in different decades, they have the most storied football stadium, their coach is the name of the trophy.
6 championships before the SB was made and 4 SB's in 5 appearances.

How is that not storied?
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:03 PM   #5458
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I guess I can see the Giants, but Packers? They have won SB's with different QB's in different decades, they have the most storied football stadium, their coach is the name of the trophy.
6 championships before the SB was made and 4 SB's in 5 appearances.

How is that not storied?
Ya I should've included them. Pretty tough to get that label though
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:19 PM   #5459
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The Raiders have a competent GM? Based on? And the Chiefs don't? Hell John Dorsey is 2-0 with double digit wins over the Raiders GM and got the Chiefs a winning record in his first year. Oakland hasn't had a winning record since 2002.

Is Gaylore just this stupid or is it low testosterone?
Dude, have you been following the Chefs' offseason at all?
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:20 PM   #5460
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:23 PM   #5461
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The Raiders have a competent GM? Based on? And the Chiefs don't? Hell John Dorsey is 2-0 with double digit wins over the Raiders GM and got the Chiefs a winning record in his first year. Oakland hasn't had a winning record since 2002.

Is Gaylore just this stupid or is it low testosterone?
Love how Studly has to pump up wins over the Raiders (double digit at that!) to make his GM sound competent.

Meanwhile Elway has managed to take his team to the SB within 3 years, recover from the Tebow and mCd era's, and go 11-1 vs the Division over the last 2 years.
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I really, really detest the Chiefs and their fans....

They seem so..........."challenged".
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Old 06-29-2014, 12:39 PM   #5463
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Love how Studly has to pump up wins over the Raiders (double digit at that!) to make his GM sound competent.

Meanwhile Peyton Manning has managed to take his team to the SB within 3 years, recover from the Tebow and mCd era's, and go 11-1 vs the Division over the last 2 years.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:39 PM   #5464
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Giants? Packers? Steelers and Niners are the only 2 that should get that label.
I would include the Cowboys, in that conversation.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:58 PM   #5465
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The Raiders have a competent GM? Based on? And the Chiefs don't? Hell John Dorsey is 2-0 with double digit wins over the Raiders GM and got the Chiefs a winning record in his first year. Oakland hasn't had a winning record since 2002.

Is Gaylore just this stupid or is it low testosterone?
McKenzie has only had 3 drafts.. his 1st draft he didnt have a pick till rd 3, ..Cant really fault him there, last year he did well I thought.. Hayben Watson and Sio Moore.. And this year being his 1st year with a full draft I think dude had the best draft in the AFC West.. Khalil Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and I really like the value he got taking guys like Ellis and McGill and especially SS Dowling from West Kent- I hope they try and sneak him through to the PS.. what a steal for them
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:12 PM   #5466
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I would include the Cowboys, in that conversation.
Unfortunately this is true.
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:18 PM   #5467
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I would include the Cowboys, in that conversation.
Cowboys had the label. But it's been years and years of stupidity, lack of playoff wins, and overrall horrible personnel moves that they are no longer storied IMO. Jerry Jones and Romo storied?
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:21 PM   #5468
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McKenzie has only had 3 drafts.. his 1st draft he didnt have a pick till rd 3, ..Cant really fault him there, last year he did well I thought.. Hayben Watson and Sio Moore.. And this year being his 1st year with a full draft I think dude had the best draft in the AFC West.. Khalil Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and I really like the value he got taking guys like Ellis and McGill and especially SS Dowling from West Kent- I hope they try and sneak him through to the PS.. what a steal for them
Stop pretending you are not a Raider's fan

Also it is easier to draft well when your team picks high every.single.year
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McKenzie has only had 3 drafts.. his 1st draft he didnt have a pick till rd 3, ..Cant really fault him there, last year he did well I thought.. Hayben Watson and Sio Moore.. And this year being his 1st year with a full draft I think dude had the best draft in the AFC West.. Khalil Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and I really like the value he got taking guys like Ellis and McGill and especially SS Dowling from West Kent- I hope they try and sneak him through to the PS.. what a steal for them
yah, the faiders drafted pretty well this year and I liked Dowling too and was mad that oakland got him. Also, in Jackson's first draft, he had like 4 compensatory picks and he still crapped the bed in that draft. Jackson second draft was a head scratcher as he took that CB in the first round (Hayden?) who had a heart condition or something. Is that guy even playing? Sio Moore was a nice pick. In hindsight, Jackson has not drafted well, just look at his Wilson pick (QB from Arkansas). Khalil Mack was a gimme pick, a monkey could have pulled the trigger on that one. Overall this last draft could make up for the previous two bad drafts.
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McKenzie has only had 3 drafts.. his 1st draft he didnt have a pick till rd 3, ..Cant really fault him there, last year he did well I thought.. Hayben Watson and Sio Moore.. And this year being his 1st year with a full draft I think dude had the best draft in the AFC West.. Khalil Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and I really like the value he got taking guys like Ellis and McGill and especially SS Dowling from West Kent- I hope they try and sneak him through to the PS.. what a steal for them
Everyone knows you're a Raiders fan, you arent fulling anybody.
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Cowboys had the label. But it's been years and years of stupidity, lack of playoff wins, and overrall horrible personnel moves that they are no longer storied IMO. Jerry Jones and Romo storied?
"Storied" MEANS a memorable past. They haven't accomplished anything since the 90s, but few NFL franchises had better success in the 70s...
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Cowboys had the label. But it's been years and years of stupidity, lack of playoff wins, and overrall horrible personnel moves that they are no longer storied IMO. Jerry Jones and Romo storied?
Cowboys stopped being good when the salary cap was introduced in 94. They won with the talent they got before that in the 95 season but ever since the cap affected them they've been mediocre.
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Everyone knows you're a Raiders fan, you arent fulling anybody.
I was born and raised in Longmont.. Im 51 been watching the Broncos over 40 years..

Every year I follow and research all teams in the AFC West. It's the only division I care about. I like to study and learn about the other teams in the division..
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"Storied" MEANS a memorable past. They haven't accomplished anything since the 90s, but few NFL franchises had better success in the 70s...
That's why I refer to them as a "once storied" franchise who is no longer. The other 2-3 still are.
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