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Old 06-23-2014, 03:55 PM   #26
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:58 PM   #27
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Guns, we're talking about gun ownership and it's relationship to homicides.
No. You're talking (or at least your study is) about gun ownership and its relationship to GUN homicides.

In other words, maybe the most pointless study ever commissioned. Must've been federally funded on some level. It's the only way.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:09 PM   #28
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No. You're talking (or at least your study is) about gun ownership and its relationship to GUN homicides.

In other words, maybe the most pointless study ever commissioned. Must've been federally funded on some level. It's the only way.
My omission, but it doesn't change the results.

Contrary to the gun lobby claim that 'more guns keep us safer,' more guns mean more GUN murders.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:16 PM   #29
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more guns mean more murders.
That may, or may not be. But your cited study does absolutely nothing to address that question. Or any question, really. At least not one that anyone ever asked.

Anywho, as to your actual assertion, there are many conflicting studies

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

But few clear and definitive answers.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:23 PM   #30
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I don't think guns keep everyone who owns them safe. Some people are clumsy and stupid. Many people shouldn't be driving either but it's a good mode of transportation for me. So I support it.

My 2 guns keep me safer in my home. That's whats important to me. Do they keep my neighbor safer? Not if he comes into my home ****ing with me. And not if he has guns and doesn't know how to use them.

Biggest problem is we don't teach kids how to shoot in school. More shooting instruction would equal less accidents. I like how many Euro countries do it and all the males learn how to use a rifle, how to shoot it, do some time in the military.

Even 1 yr service after graduation would be nice and nationalistic.
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That may, or may not be. But your cited study does absolutely nothing to address that question. Or any question, really. At least not one that anyone ever asked.

Anywho, as to your actual assertion, there are many conflicting studies

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

But few clear and definitive answers.
How would you know, obviously you didn't click through, the study is subscription only. Just the abstract is available.

Now you're just making **** up.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:39 PM   #32
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How would you know, obviously you didn't click through, the study is subscription only. Just the abstract is available.

Now you're just making **** up.
I can only read the bull**** that is actually available to read.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:40 PM   #33
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remember folks, bats and knives are just as dangerous as assault rifles. save yourself some dough and shop at Dick's
Why yes they are, just a year ago or so a guy with a baseball bat went into a public school and killed twenty 6 year-olds.... oh.. wait that was something else.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:53 PM   #34
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Even liberals only suggest gun restrictions. I doubt any restrictions will ever stop mass shootings.

Seems like a silly argument liberals like to cling to because the rest of what they are doing is going to ****. So they switch to issues like the Redskins football team name, abortion rights, gun control etc.
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That may, or may not be. But your cited study does absolutely nothing to address that question. Or any question, really. At least not one that anyone ever asked.

Anywho, as to your actual assertion, there are many conflicting studies

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

But few clear and definitive answers.
Aside from not being scientific in any way shape or form that study has some quite serious methodology problems.

Table 2 is a good example of something that can best be described as either deliberately dishonest or ignorant. Handguns aren't allowed in the countries they list. Rather it is possible to obtain from the police a license, at significant cost and requiring a substantial background check, to own a handgun if you can document that you have proper storage facilities (a gun safe) and have a need to own a gun. The authors also do a straight comparison of murder rates (with no correction for how many are carried out with guns) between countries with highly divergent socioeconomic environments.

Several of the numbers reported in this study are reported without any indication of accuracy, a number of 4 guns per 100 citizens is reported for Russia, yet this number will fluctuate between 3 and 10 depending which source is used.

This study is a great example of social studies being a pretty worthless effort. It fails at even the most basic academic tests, including no evaluation of sources, no indication of accuracy or lack thereof, cherrypicking data, lack of correction for or even discussion of confounding factors.
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I don't think guns keep everyone who owns them safe. Some people are clumsy and stupid. Many people shouldn't be driving either but it's a good mode of transportation for me. So I support it.

My 2 guns keep me safer in my home. That's whats important to me. Do they keep my neighbor safer? Not if he comes into my home ****ing with me. And not if he has guns and doesn't know how to use them.

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Even 1 yr service after graduation would be nice and nationalistic.
Don't work to prevent the wrong people from having guns. Instead force everyone into military service.

Small government conservative there for ya folks.
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I can only read the bull**** that is actually available to read.
You don't like the outcome, so it's bull****?
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