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Old 06-23-2014, 08:33 AM   #1
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Default Gun death Rates all 50 states

State Firearm Death Rates, Ranked by Rate, 2011


Rank State Rate

1 Louisiana 18.91
2 Mississippi 17.80
3 Alaska 17.41
4 Wyoming 16.92
5 Montana 16.74
6 Oklahoma 16.60
7 Alabama 16.34
8 Arkansas 15.72
9 South Carolina 15.09
10 West Virginia 14.99
11 Arizona 14.91
12 Tennessee 14.81

13 New Mexico 14.72
14 Missouri 14.21
15 Kentucky 14.13

16 Nevada 13.82
17 Georgia 12.56
18 Florida 12.46
19 Vermont 12.45
20 Idaho 12.12

21 North Carolina 11.96
22 Michigan 11.70
23 Kansas 11.46
24 Pennsylvania 11.28
25 Colorado 11.20
26 Utah 10.94
27 Oregon 10.86
28 Virginia 10.71
29 Ohio 10.63
30 Maine 10.24
31 Texas 10.14
32 Indiana 9.79
33 Maryland 9.28
34 Washington 9.15
35 North Dakota 8.91
36 Nebraska 8.74
37 Illinois 8.66
38 South Dakota 8.62

39 Delaware 8.48
40 California 7.97

41 Wisconsin 7.79
42 Minnesota 7.41
43 Iowa 7.18
44 New Hampshire 6.98
45 Connecticut 5.85
46 New Jersey 5.46
47 New York 5.11
48 Massachusetts 3.84
49 Hawaii 3.56
50 Rhode Island 3.14

. National Firearm Death Rate 10.38

hmmmm what conclusions can be made from this information? I wonder if you look and see what states have the strictest gun laws if they will be lower on the list?



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Old 06-23-2014, 08:50 AM   #2
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From your source:

States with Weak Gun Laws and Higher Gun Ownership Lead Nation in Gun Deaths

http://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:57 AM   #3
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States with Weak Gun Laws and Higher Gun Ownership Lead Nation in Gun Deaths

http://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm
Yeah, but they have more freedom.
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Great. More data corrupted with suicide counts.

And I thought you kids were Pro-Choice.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:26 AM   #5
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Annual Gun Deaths vs. Abortion Deaths in U.S (2012).

Annual deaths in the U.S. by:

Guns - 31,000+ (19K suicide, 12K homicide or accident)

Abortion - 1,200,000+
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:33 AM   #6
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Gun deaths have been dropping steadily for the last 20 years.



Don't believe the anti-gun agenda. They attempt to limit and confiscate guns, while continuing to leave our schools completely unprotected. Completely irresponsible.

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Old 06-23-2014, 11:34 AM   #7
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Annual Gun Deaths vs. Abortion Deaths in U.S (2012).

Annual deaths in the U.S. by:

Guns - 31,000+ (19K suicide, 12K homicide or accident)

Abortion - 1,200,000+
Did you know the average protestant conservative didn't give a damn about abortion until the early 80s when Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority turned it into a hysterical political issue for the Right? In fact, prior to that, most protestant organizations were perfectly okay with abortion. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._from_not.html
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Shows that gun violence and suicides correlate nicely with poverty - affluent people tend to kill themselves and each other less than poor people do.
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Not surprisingly, Louisiana (aka Sportsman's Paradise) leads in gun deaths. It's a surprise that Michigan (4th highest murder rate) isn't even in the top 20.
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Not surprisingly, Louisiana (aka Sportsman's Paradise) leads in gun deaths. It's a surprise that Michigan (4th highest murder rate) isn't even in the top 20.
Try New Orleans as the factor. When you look at the Bible Belt, many of those states are part of higher end of crimes. Of course looking at it closer and you see the urban areas have a huge criminal problem. I guess they are not going to church on Sundays.
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Did you know the average protestant conservative didn't give a damn about abortion until the early 80s when Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority turned it into a hysterical political issue for the Right? In fact, prior to that, most protestant organizations were perfectly okay with abortion. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._from_not.html
So what you're saying is that Jerry Falwell was Al Gore before Al Gore was Al Gore?
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You should take out hunting accidents and suicides. It's just silly to skew stats that way.
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Did you know the average protestant conservative didn't give a damn about abortion until the early 80s when Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority turned it into a hysterical political issue for the Right? In fact, prior to that, most protestant organizations were perfectly okay with abortion. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._from_not.html
We used to keep slaves also but I thought liberals were all about being progressive and getting more humane through the years?
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Meaningless stats..try googling firearm MURDERS by city and state. I think you'll find that changes your numbers a bit.
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Unfortunately, the full study is only paid subscription.

But as the abstract indicates, more guns = more murders.

Accepted on: Apr 17, 2013
The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
Michael Siegel, MD, MPH, Craig S. Ross, MBA, and Charles King III, JD, PhD

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Objectives. We examined the relationship between levels of household firearm ownership, as measured directly and by a proxy—the percentage of suicides committed with a firearm—and age-adjusted firearm homicide rates at the state level.

Methods. We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010. We determined fixed effects for year, accounted for clustering within states with generalized estimating equations, and controlled for potential state-level confounders.

Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates.
Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.
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How is Illinois so low on that list? People make it seem like Chicago is worse than Ciudad Juarez.
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Unfortunately, the full study is only paid subscription.

But as the abstract indicates, more guns = more murders.

Accepted on: Apr 17, 2013
The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
Michael Siegel, MD, MPH, Craig S. Ross, MBA, and Charles King III, JD, PhD



Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi...urnalCode=ajph
This just in. People with cars far more likely to die in auto accidents.

Is it really a surprise that prior to one person murdering someone else with object X, they actually owned object X? The reasoning stated seems like a pretty tight circle.
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This just in. People with cars far more likely to die in auto accidents.

Is it really a surprise that prior to one person murdering someone else with object X, they actually owned object X? The reasoning stated seems like a pretty tight circle.
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Great. More data corrupted with suicide counts.
I get the feeling no matter what is posted, you'll keep moving the goalposts.
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I get the feeling no matter what is posted, you'll keep moving the goalposts.
A relevant statistic might be overall (non-firearm and firearm) homicide rates in relation to gun ownership.

Not some cockamamie issue-advocate study telling us that people who murder people with guns tend to own guns. That logic dog is chasing its own tail.
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I get the feeling no matter what is posted, you'll keep moving the goalposts.
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A relevant statistic might be overall (non-firearm and firearm) homicide rates in relation to gun ownership.

Not some cockamamie issue-advocate study telling us that people who murder people with guns tend to own guns. That logic dog is chasing its own tail.
Peer reviewed studies based upon solid data will always trump interweb personal opinions.

Funny how that works.
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Peer reviewed studies based upon solid data will always trump interweb personal opinions.

Funny how that works.
So if I pointed out a study that said 99% of baseball bat clubbings involved people who owned baseball bats, you'd be up for some Sporting-Goods Control legislation?
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remember folks, bats and knives are just as dangerous as assault rifles. save yourself some dough and shop at Dick's
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So if I pointed out a study that said 99% of baseball bat clubbings involved people who owned baseball bats, you'd be up for some Sporting-Goods Control legislation?
Guns, we're talking about gun ownership and it's relationship to homicides.

Contrary to dogmatic beliefs, more guns do not make you safer. In fact, you are more likely to be murdered.

Can't make it any simpler for you.

You can go back to your baseball bats now.
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remember folks, bats and knives are just as dangerous as assault rifles. save yourself some dough and shop at Dick's
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15075686

Look! A study of people stabbed. And virtually all of the murderers owned knives!

No more argument to be had. The time for Pointy-thing control has come.

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