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Old 06-23-2014, 01:08 PM   #51
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He's really only "unhinged" about one issue, and that's Sarah Palin. And even then, he's mostly correct about her. But he's far, far more fair and reasonable that you're giving him credit for. He admits when he's wrong, posts opposing viewpoints, and posts dissents from both readers and other journalists/pundits he has disagreements with. Yes, he can certainly be accused of giving Obama too much benefit of the doubt, but he explains in detail when and why he does, and he also slams Obama on occasion and often expresses doubts and concerns about him. I could show you multiple examples of all of these things but it's really not worth my time. And frankly, neither are you.
So you had no problem with the whole "Daschle got an Anthrax birthday card, let's nuke Iraq" thing I guess.
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I've gone over it before. Probably not worth going through it all again.

Nutshell version.

Liberals tend to believe in a kind of perfectablity (relative) of mankind that needs to be brought into practice by "progress" They tend to believe that mankind's problems are related to the system he's subjected himself to. Not because of any 'nature of the beast' so to speak.

Conservatives tend to believe that mankind has inherent corruptions that need to be constrained. In a classical liberal democracy the primary constraints are individual liberty and rule of law. Which is why progressive (and especially collectivist) solutions tend to be viewed with immediate suspicion.
That's it? Really?

Forget Liberalism, just define Conservatism as you see it, it has to mean more to you than 'constraints.'

How about naming 'true conservatives' by your definition....past, and god help us, present.
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That's it? Really?

Forget Liberalism, just define Conservatism as you see it, it has to mean more to you than 'constraints.'

How about naming 'true conservatives' by your definition....past, and god help us, present.
I've been in this pointless argument before...

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937664

if you really want to know. There's no point in laundry listing litmus test current-events issues for you. No root human ideology can be defined that way.

I could name politicians, but you'll inevitably find something political that they've done to provide the exception (that proves the rule) Almost hate to say it, but Rand Paul is probably the closest I could name to someone who best reflects my own personal priorities in Congress. But that is far from consistent, so please don't checklist me with whatever it is Rand believes on 101 different issues.

If I could name any one guy that I tend to agree with 95% of the time I read him, I'd probably lean towards Jonah Goldberg.

But he has his biases. As do you or I.

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I've been in this pointless argument before...

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937664

if you really want to know. There's no point in laundry listing litmus test current-events issues for you. No root human ideology can be defined that way.

I could name politicians, but you'll inevitably find something political that they've done to provide the exception (that proves the rule) Almost hate to say it, but Rand Paul is probably the closest I could name to someone who best reflects my own personal priorities in Congress. But that is far from consistent, so please don't checklist me with whatever it is Rand believes on 101 different issues.

If I could name any one guy that I tend to agree with 95% of the time I read him, I'd probably lean towards Jonah Goldberg.

But he has his biases. As do you or I.
There's no argument, I'm curious as to what YOU think 'Conservative' means.
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Old 06-23-2014, 02:46 PM   #55
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There's no argument, I'm curious as to what YOU think 'Conservative' means.
Read what I posted before. If you have questions, have at it.
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Despite claims that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is not a ''target'' in the state's criminal campaign finance probe, newly-released documents demonstrate that prosecutors are indeed looking at his potentially criminal activity.

New Documents Undermine Walker Statements on Criminal Probe

Despite claims that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is not a "target" in the state's criminal campaign finance probe, newly-released documents demonstrate that prosecutors are indeed looking at potentially criminal activity by the first-term governor and 2016 presidential hopeful.

The latest round of documents released in Wisconsin's "John Doe" investigation shine new light on the stalled inquiry into alleged illegal coordination between Walker’s campaign and outside political groups like Wisconsin Club for Growth (WiCFG) during the 2011-2012 recall elections.

The documents show that Walker made personal appeals to out-of-state billionaires and millionaires to raise funds for WiCFG -- which spent $9.1 million on the recalls and acted as a "hub" for funneling millions more to other groups -- and evidence indicates that his campaign also worked with WiCFG on how those funds were spent.


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Old 09-03-2014, 10:22 AM   #57
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Conservatism to righties now means:

spending like a drunken sailor when a rightie is prez
crying chicken little about the debt when a dem is prez
fighting them evil gays
war!
shutting down the evil gubmint
guns for everyone!
saying No!
No food for you slacker!
Blame the illegals!
Blame the blacks!
Jesus wants you to get a job!
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:19 AM   #58
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Conservatism to righties now means:

spending like a drunken sailor when a rightie is prez
crying chicken little about the debt when a dem is prez
fighting them evil gays
war!
shutting down the evil gubmint
guns for everyone!
saying No!
No food for you slacker!
Blame the illegals!
Blame the blacks!
Jesus wants you to get a job!
And don't forget, destroying the environment in the name of corporate "freedom." Oh, and turning back the clock on science, replacing it with superstition.
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:54 PM   #59
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And don't forget, destroying the environment in the name of corporate "freedom." Oh, and turning back the clock on science, replacing it with superstition.
We prefer to call it "Environmental Keynesianism"

Just FYI.
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April 2015

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Evil GOP Bastard of the Month

Panderer, Crook, Kochroach & GOP Presidential Candidate
Gov. Scott Walker R-WI



Why has Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker become so popular among the Republican base? It's not due to his charisma, foreign policy expertise or economic success achieved in his state, because he can claim none of those virtues.

In fact, due to Walker's policies, Wisconsin is among the worst states in the nation for job creation -- the result of radical policies enacted by Walker's compliant Republican majority in the Wisconsin legislature and a hyper-partisan Republican judiciary that has embraced a "see no evil" approach to Republican malfeasance.

This situation has been particularly appalling for a state formerly known for good, progressive governance.

Wisconsin's Government Accountability Board was a national bipartisan model for the enforcement of ethics, campaign finance and election laws. But Wisconsin Republicans are now attempting to cut the GAB's funding and install partisan members of the board to shield Walker from the ongoing John Doe investigations that have followed him since his days as a Milwaukee County executive, and more recently, for campaign irregularities during his recall election. The only trait Republicans can possibly find appealing about Walker is his sleaziness. MORE
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:10 AM   #61
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FINALLY!



Wisconsin Republicans Turning Against Scott Walker? Oh, Yeah!

No, this is not a late April Fools Day post even though it seems like one.
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Wisconsin Republicans Turning Against Scott Walker? Oh, Yeah!

No, this is not a late April Fools Day post even though it seems like one.
A fitting continuation of the epic failure of this thread.
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A fitting continuation of the epic failure of this thread.
I know you're probably a Ted Cruz man (since Palin hasn't indicated she's running) but no love at all for your boy Walker?

Wow.
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I know you're probably a Ted Cruz man (since Palin hasn't indicated she's running) but no love at all for your boy Walker?

Wow.
Walker's rough around the edges, but I haven't written him off yet.

It's watching you hamster-wheel this completely self-destructive thread in an attempt to maintain its (long evaporated) credibility that I'm enjoying.
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You regressives certainly love to say things that have no basis in reality.

I guess all that matters is that these unfounded assertions sound cute and/or make you feel good.
Speaking of unfounded assertions, has Walker been charged with anything yet?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...290554871.html

Looks like more of Wisconsin's John Doe laws are getting thrown aside as your heroes stretch them further and further.

Seemed like it was pretty big news, but you never posted anything about it here. Wonder why. Cute license plate though. Good work.
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Walker's rough around the edges, but I haven't written him off yet.
That's more like it.

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It's watching you hamster-wheel this completely self-destructive thread in an attempt to maintain its (long evaporated) credibility that I'm enjoying.
How has the thread "lost credibility?"

Are the investigations into Walker's crimes not still ongoing?
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This guy has no shame.



Wisconsin Taxpayers are Subsidizing Scott Walker's Presidential Bid

When it comes to lavish travel in a presidential bid, the taxpayer treasure chest provides plenty.
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Will Walker join Blago...... No....

Wisconsin Supreme court just ruled on the case and ordered the partisan prosecutor to halt all investigation.


http://wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/Displ...l&seqNo=144526

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To be clear, this conclusion ends the John Doe investigation because the special prosecutor’s legal theory is unsupported in either reason or law. Consequently, the investigation is closed. Consistent with our decision and the order entered by Reserve Judge Peterson, we order that the special prosecutor and the district attorneys involved in this investigation must cease all activities related to the investigation, return all property seized in the investigation from any individual or organization, and permanently destroy all copies of information and other materials obtained through the investigation. All Unnamed Movants are relieved of any duty to cooperate further with the investigation.
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It is utterly clear that the special prosecutor has employed theories of law that do not exist in order to investigate citizens who were wholly innocent of any wrongdoing. In other words, the special prosecutor was the instigator of a “perfect storm” of wrongs that was visited upon the innocent Unnamed Movants and those who dared to associate with them. It is fortunate, indeed, for every other citizen of this great State who is interested in the protection of fundamental liberties that the special prosecutor chose as his targets innocent citizens who had both the will and the means to fight the unlimited resources of an unjust prosecution.
Now it is time for Walker to sue for civil rights violations, and seek disbarment of the attorneys involved

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That's more like it.



How has the thread "lost credibility?"

Are the investigations into Walker's crimes not still ongoing?
So let's revisit....
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http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/17/...doe-saga-over/


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Chisholm’s wife, a public school teacher and union leader, was so upset over Act 10 that Chisholm made his John Doe investigation a personal vendetta against Walker, according to a former special prosecutor who claims he was a member of Chisholm’s “inner circle” in 2011.
Pre-dawn Raids were done on Walker supporters homes with no valid reason for the overwhelming amount of force. Raids seized, electronics (computers, phones), personal records unrelated to the probe (tax returns, retirement and banking records), unrelated business records. Supports were given gag orders and told not to discuss the raids with their lawyers.

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National Review recently detailed what it was like to be on the receiving end of one such raid, including a 16-year-old boy who was home alone when the police came to search his family’s home:

To his horror, he saw uniformed officers, their guns drawn. “Police,” they yelled. “We have a warrant.” An officer shined a flashlight on a document Jonah couldn’t read. Unsure what to do, but unwilling to defy the authorities, he let them in. The officers sat him down, read him the entire search warrant, and ordered him not to tell anyone about the raid — not even school officials. He asked if he could call his parents. They said no. He asked if he could call a lawyer. They said no. Then, they proceeded to turn his house “upside down.”

Wisc Supreme court made it pretty clear that the liberal DAs and special prosecutor made this investigation a vendetta to intimidate and punish Walkers supporters with no regard for their 1st and 4th amendment rights
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Will Walker join Blago...... No....

Wisconsin Supreme court just ruled on the case and ordered the partisan prosecutor to halt all investigation.


http://wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/Displ...l&seqNo=144526





Now it is time for Walker to sue for civil rights violations, and seek disbarment of the attorneys involved
"Partisan" prosecutor?

L0L!

What a familiar spin that is.

Meanwhile, the WI Supreme Court takes a page from Uncle Tony's playbook.
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Pre-dawn Raids were done on Walker supporters homes with no valid reason for the overwhelming amount of force. Raids seized, electronics (computers, phones), personal records unrelated to the probe (tax returns, retirement and banking records), unrelated business records. Supports were given gag orders and told not to discuss the raids with their lawyers.




Wisc Supreme court made it pretty clear that the liberal DAs and special prosecutor made this investigation a vendetta to intimidate and punish Walkers supporters with no regard for their 1st and 4th amendment rights
Leveraging state boots against political adversaries only gives Labron a harder chub. You're wasting your breath here.
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Scott Walker Escapes Criminal Prosecution By Having A Koch Friendly Court Erase The Law

Thursday, July, 16th, 2015, 1:48 pm


Conservatives are declaring that the “witch hunt” against Governor Scott Walker is over because the Wisconsin Supreme Court ordered the special prosecutor to stop the John Doe investigation into Walker’s alleged illegal coordinated with dark money groups during his recall elections in 2011 and 2012.

They claim that Scott Walker was cleared of illegally coordinating with dark money during his recall campaign. This isn’t exactly accurate, and it matters because the court’s ruling impacts the rights and voices of Wisconsin citizens.

This probe was not “political”, as a bipartisan group district attorneys were behind it and the County District Attorney John Chisholm has gone after both parties. In fact, Chisholm — who is being inaccurately eviscerated for having a political agenda — has gone after mostly fellow Democrats. This doesn’t stop conservative outlets and politicians from pretending this is all Chisholm. Personal attacks and smears are the best recourse of the guilty – smear the source, smear the facts. It works, so they do it.

But the facts tell a different story.

The Wisconsin State Journal/Host Madison reported that the court, which helpfully for Scott Walker’s presidential run ordered that all “potential evidence — including thousands of pages of emails and other documents — be returned and all copies be destroyed”, ruled that outlawing coordination was “unconstitutionally overbroad and vague under the First Amendment.”
The secret John Doe investigation targeted suspected illegal coordination — the special prosecutor referred to “a criminal scheme” — between Republicans and purportedly independent conservative groups that supported Walker as he beat back the effort to oust him from office. Documents obtained by investigators indicated Walker’s involvement in directing donors to the independent advocacy groups.

In its opinion released early Thursday, the majority said a state law outlawing such coordination was “unconstitutionally overbroad and vague under the First Amendment.”

Campaign finance advocates predicted the ruling would relegate most Wisconsin citizens to the sidelines in future elections with anonymous, deep-pocketed donors taking over. The critics also began discussing an appeal to federal courts.

This does not mean that Scott Walker did not violate the law. It means the court thinks the law sucks. They decided to ignore the criminal elements of the charges and focus on the state’s campaign laws instead. So they found fault with the law that would make what the evidence suggests was illegal coordination to be no good. Change the interpretation of the law and suddenly Scott Walker is not guilty.

To reiterate, the John Doe investigation was looking into suspected illegal coordination and they had documents indicating Walker’s involvement. That’s criminal. Or it was, until the Wisconsin Supreme Court decided they didn’t like that law.

An important fact in this case that can’t be overlooked is that the prosecutor asked two justices to recuse themselves since they have benefited from dark money from the same groups, but they refused.

The WSJ noted, “… the four state Supreme Court justices considered to be conservatives benefited in their own elections from millions of dollars spent in their behalf by so-called independent groups.”

Dissenting opinion provided by Justice Shirley Abrahamson criticized the majority opinion for having a “faulty interpretation” of the state’s campaign finance law and the majority ignored the criminal element of the accusations, “I conclude that the Special Prosecutor has a valid legal theory to support his investigation.”

Thanks to this ruling, dark money from outside of the state will be allowed to buy elections. Or, as the Republicans call it, “freedom”.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/...rdination.html
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