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Old 06-17-2014, 08:16 AM   #51
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:37 AM   #52
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Hilary Clinton - Iraq is Projected to Grow Faster Than China

Fast Forward to 4:20 to see her brilliant projection on investing in Iraq.

Fast Forward to 7:20 Hillary goes on record to unequivocally ask Americans to invest in Iraq.

Fast Forward to 8:55 Hillary on women in Iraq.


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Old 06-17-2014, 11:02 AM   #53
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and what demographic do you see switching to a right winger like rand paul? Asians,Hispanics,maybe African Americans? Who? How about women?
Rand, in theory is the only conservative that is expanding the base... showing up to speak at Berkley and other Liberals hot houses... he;s a smart dude, he knows the GOP is dead party walking without appealing to larger portion of the country.

If Hillary runs, she'll win. She'll have a battleship full of money to spend, and she's got Bill in her corner to be out stumping for the cause. The US willnot elect a Tea Partier to the top office, that group has not made enough inroads with key groups and to me their delivery on the message is still to negative- and Americans want positive.
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Rand, in theory is the only conservative that is expanding the base... showing up to speak at Berkley and other Liberals hot houses... he;s a smart dude, he knows the GOP is dead party walking without appealing to larger portion of the country.

If Hillary runs, she'll win. She'll have a battleship full of money to spend, and she's got Bill in her corner to be out stumping for the cause. The US willnot elect a Tea Partier to the top office, that group has not made enough inroads with key groups and to me their delivery on the message is still to negative- and Americans want positive.
I'll give him credit for trying but it's the policies he supports that ultimately be his downfall.
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I'll give him credit for trying but it's the policies he supports that ultimately be his downfall.
The Social Issues are losers for conservatives- but the GOP cannot snub the Socially Conservative base and come close to winning, and the Libertarian cannot get enought votes just on fiscal issues to make it a go. Hence what we see cycle after cycles, a hard right competition over social issues, then a half hearted attempt back to the center. Its a viscious cycle for the party.
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Hilary Clinton - Iraq is Projected to Grow Faster Than China

Fast Forward to 4:20 to see her brilliant projection on investing in Iraq.

Fast Forward to 7:20 Hillary goes on record to unequivocally ask Americans to invest in Iraq.

Fast Forward to 8:55 Hillary on women in Iraq.


She totally supported the Iraq War and her husband even before Bush became president, advocated the removal of Hussein because of his weaponry and past actions. So were the Clintons, like the other countless democrats who supported removal of Hussein before 2000, all lying too as claimed Bush did? Or they were telling the truth, but only Bush counts as lying when he stated the same? The "logic" of the liberal.
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ouch, and oh so very true.
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Republicans won't win on a national stage until they drop their opposition to gay marriage and abortion.

The righteous indignation doesn't fit with this generation. It doesn't matter who they put up against Hillary, they aren't winning unless they change.
you sure about that bro? There're more young people apposed to abortion than ever before and as for gay marriage, you and I both know it's only getting passed by an activist judiciary, not by people voting yes on it. See CA for example A.

Abortion violates the 14th Amendment and as for gay marriage, I've always said it's up to the states to decide. However, the radical homosexual movement is making the federal judges overrule the people. And make no mistake about it, if you are going to argue that the 14th amendment protects gay marriage (it doesn't) but not the unborn, you are completely and utterly crazy.
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you sure about that bro? There're more young people apposed to abortion than ever before and as for gay marriage, you and I both know it's only getting passed by an activist judiciary, not by people voting yes on it. See CA for example A.

Abortion violates the 14th Amendment and as for gay marriage, I've always said it's up to the states to decide. However, the radical homosexual movement is making the federal judges overrule the people. And make no mistake about it, if you are going to argue that the 14th amendment protects gay marriage (it doesn't) but not the unborn, you are completely and utterly crazy.
Young people don't care about gay marriage, and they don't see any reason why in the land of freedom why the representative government should deny equal access and equal protections.

As for abortion, young people are reasonable, and limits of term are still open for debate. Young people still won't ban it, so extreme bills to ban it are not going anywhere, probably ever.

Wonder why so many younger people are identifying as libertarian? Small government, individual freedoms, live and let live.....
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The Social Issues are losers for conservatives- but the GOP cannot snub the Socially Conservative base and come close to winning, and the Libertarian cannot get enought votes just on fiscal issues to make it a go. Hence what we see cycle after cycles, a hard right competition over social issues, then a half hearted attempt back to the center. Its a viscious cycle for the party.
It's the fiscal issues i'm referring to that will be his downfall. There isn't much of a difference between Republicans and libertarians fiscally or on the size of government.
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It's the fiscal issues i'm referring to that will be his downfall. There isn't much of a difference between Republicans and libertarians fiscally or on the size of government.
In his first 5 years, Obama has had the 5 biggest deficits in the history of the US. At the end of his 2nd term Obama will have added more to the US debt than all the other Presidents combined.

Mind you, this is all with ZERO INTEREST RATE POLICY for 5 years, while also printing trillions of dollars for the past two years. Inflation in all asset sectors has skyrocketed. The middle class is rapidly disappearing. Simply owning a house is out of reach for many people who didn't already own one due to skyrocketing real estate prices.

Without some necessary limitations on the size and scope of government, the country will be bankrupt soon, if we aren't already.

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In his first 5 years, Obama has had the 5 biggest deficits in the history of the US. At the end of his 2nd term Obama will have added more to the US debt than all the other Presidents combined.

Mind you, this is all with ZERO INTEREST RATE POLICY for 5 years, while also printing trillions of dollars for the past two years. Inflation in all asset sectors has skyrocketed. The middle class is rapidly disappearing. Simply owning a house is out of reach for many people who didn't already own one due to skyrocketing real estate prices.

Without some necessary limitations on the size and scope of government, the country will be bankrupt soon, if we aren't already.
Which has what to do with the price of tea in China.
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you sure about that bro? There're more young people apposed to abortion than ever before and as for gay marriage, you and I both know it's only getting passed by an activist judiciary, not by people voting yes on it. See CA for example A.

Abortion violates the 14th Amendment and as for gay marriage, I've always said it's up to the states to decide. However, the radical homosexual movement is making the federal judges overrule the people. And make no mistake about it, if you are going to argue that the 14th amendment protects gay marriage (it doesn't) but not the unborn, you are completely and utterly crazy.
I'm sorry, this is based on what, exactly?

What was the voter turnout in California? What were the demographics on said turnout?
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I'm sorry, this is based on what, exactly?

What was the voter turnout in California? What were the demographics on said turnout?
Since it was non-president election year what do you think?
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I'm sorry, this is based on what, exactly?

What was the voter turnout in California? What were the demographics on said turnout?
It was pretty big. Blacks are against gay marriage and that could be the key as they came out to vote for Obama. I believe younger people are for gay marriages compared to over 30 year olds and older. As for peacetime, both parties might screw up our budget but dont make a mistake that they run on the same fiscal platform. I havent heard of any liberal fiscal groups being haunted by the IRS recently...
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I'm sorry, this is based on what, exactly?

What was the voter turnout in California? What were the demographics on said turnout?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/30/st...-abortion.html

As for the voter turn out in CA, who cares and what does that have to do with anything? But from memory, the vast majority of blacks voted against gay marriage.
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17 trillion debt with no desire to stop deficit spending or even attempt to pass a budget. Lawless, corrupt, incompetent, and self serving government that exempts itself and its cronies from the laws it enacts. Record number of working age adults out of the labor pool. Out of control food and energy costs. Endless regulation and government interference for small businesses and anyone with the audacity to have an entrepreneurial intent. Social decay due to government sponsored and promoted fatherhood abandonment / family dissolution. None of these things matter. What voters of this generation care about is gay marriage.

Honestly, I can't disagree.
spot on again Doc.
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Unfortunately for Hillary, the liberals do not have a monopoly on the media, so not everybody is going to be kept in the dark about her and her creep of a husband. All their friends and business associates are crooks, but they aren't though. Only the boneheads believe such nonsense, but of course they also believe Obama surrounds himself with socialists his whole life, but he isn't one though. Yeah, truly makes sense. That is why her supporters will not forget Drudge, who reported what the rest of the liberal media was hiding and not reporting and only did so after the fact.
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Which has what to do with the price of tea in China.
Of course you wouldn't care about Obama amassing more debt than all the other US Presidents combined. When will you understand that deficit spending is the primary driver behind the widening gap between the rich and the poor?

Gen X and Gen Y can't even afford to buy houses due to skyrocketing prices and under/unemployment.

If you don't care about that, what do you care about? More entitlements for yourself?
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Of course you wouldn't care about Obama amassing more debt than all the other US Presidents combined. When will you understand that deficit spending is the primary driver behind the widening gap between the rich and the poor?

Gen X and Gen Y can't even afford to buy houses due to skyrocketing prices and under/unemployment.

If you don't care about that, what do you care about? More entitlements for yourself?
You are clueless and a waste of time. Your posts are complete nonsense.
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You are clueless and a waste of time. Your posts are complete nonsense.
I'm not going to let you off the hook here. You said you 'don't care' that Obama is on his way to amassing nearly $10T in debt. If you don't care about that, what do you care about?
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I'm not going to let you off the hook here. You said you 'don't care' that Obama is on his way to amassing nearly $10T in debt. If you don't care about that, what do you care about?
He only cares about democrats in control and doing whatever since people like him are needed to excuse everything they do. It wasn't long ago people like him were wanting hearings on everything, but now, they don't want to know anything. Complete trust in people who couldn't give a crap about them. Indoctrination is complete for some.
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