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Old 06-10-2014, 12:32 AM   #176
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Doesn't matter Req. Obama said he had no idea of problems but the proof shows he was notified and didn't care until it got reported.

It is true though that republican presidents have also let vets down.
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The best excuse the Obama apologists have is republican presidents haven't done anything to help the VA system either. Somehow Krugman back in 2011 thought the VA system was so great, it should be used as a model. So it became great, then bad under Obama's watch? I bet Krugman has little to say about the VA these days.

Krugman did write this in 2011 about the VA:

And yes, this is “socialized medicine” — although some private systems, like Kaiser Permanente, share many of the V.H.A.’s virtues. But it works — and suggests what it will take to solve the troubles of U.S. health care more broadly."

Looks to me he's wanting all of us to have the VA system for healthcare. People dying waiting for appointments and doctor shortages, plus bonuses handed out for bogus work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/op...deas.html?_r=0
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:35 AM   #178
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It isn't a new problem. My grandpa was granted disability (100%) by the VA in the 70s, only to have Reagan and his goons knock it down to (70%) in the 80s. Never got back up to receiving his full disability benefits, besides the fact he had one arm and a myriad of issues stemming from being blowed away at the Bulge.
That's impossible. Everything that is wrong with America started when the libruls put that nigra in the White House!
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:37 AM   #179
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Both parties have glossed over the VA's shortcomings for years.

This isn't a 'partisan' issue, it's a national disgrace.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:36 AM   #180
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Both parties have glossed over the VA's shortcomings for years.

This isn't a 'partisan' issue, it's a national disgrace.
Definitely. It is funny seeing people making this a partisan issue. Care for our veterans shouldn't be subject to such nonsense.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:45 AM   #181
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Definitely. It is funny seeing people making this a partisan issue. Care for our veterans shouldn't be subject to such nonsense.
It is a partisan issue in that only one side sees the federal government as a simple solution to most of our more difficult problems. And as that whole model is shown to fail over and over again, "A Plague on Both Their Houses" ceases to be useful.
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It is a partisan issue in that only one side sees the federal government as a simple solution to most of our more difficult problems. And as that whole model is shown to fail over and over again, "A Plague on Both Their Houses" ceases to be useful.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:56 AM   #183
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It is a partisan issue in that only one side sees...
Nothing partisan about the fact that "one side" starting caring about this issue only within the last several weeks, right?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:28 AM   #184
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Nothing partisan about the fact that "one side" starting caring about this issue only within the last several weeks, right?
Caring about the federal government being one ginourmous clustereff? You're right. You kids had been glossing over that quite a bit until just lately.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:17 AM   #185
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Definitely. It is funny seeing people making this a partisan issue. Care for our veterans shouldn't be subject to such nonsense.
More then one issue at play here. The big issue is how Obama lies and says he never knew, plays surprised, then blames the previous President and admin.

I agree that both parties should try better to take care of the vets. The issue with Obama is his lying and lack of leadership in key areas.
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The issue with Obama is his lying...
I don't like the lying, either. I'm not excusing it. But, come on bro. Every president told lots of "lies". That's politics. It sucks. Ronald Reagan famously said "I can't remember" or "I don't recall" 88 times during 8 hours of Iran-Contra testimony. And so on. I don't believe that you really think it's that big of a deal. Or, as with most of these issues, it just suddenly became a big deal to you because of who's in the White House.
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I don't like the lying, either. I'm not excusing it. But, come on bro. Every president told lots of "lies". That's politics. It sucks. Ronald Reagan famously said "I can't remember" or "I don't recall" 88 times during 8 hours of Iran-Contra testimony. And so on. I don't believe that you really think it's that big of a deal. Or, as with most of these issues, it just suddenly became a big deal to you because of who's in the White House.
So, to borrow from your recent stance, we'd have to assume you also believed Iran Contra to be a partisan witch hunt, correct?
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:58 PM   #188
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So, to borrow from your recent stance, we'd have to assume you also believed Iran Contra to be a partisan witch hunt, correct?
good question. how long did the dems spend on that? how much taxpayer money was spent?
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good question. how long did the dems spend on that? how much taxpayer money was spent?
The cost and duration was considered pretty unprecedented at the time.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...endent-counsel

I'll wait with bated breath for Tony to call that entire spectacle a disgusting sham.
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Liberals won't even talk about the letter sent to Obama by the Chairmen of the oversight committee for the VA. Look at the date, look at what it says, look into it.

Bush manipulated the world because he felt Saddam had to go. He told some lies to get it done.

You tell lies to get things done not to coverup scandals from your poorly run white house and govt.

If Obama had lied about the VA to get it more money, which then was great for Vets, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Iran Contra went 6 yrs and liberals are saying don't dwell on things lets move on. Classic.
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Iran Contra went 6 yrs and liberals are saying don't dwell on things lets move on. Classic.
Spectacular, ain't it.
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The cost and duration was considered pretty unprecedented at the time.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...endent-counsel

I'll wait with bated breath for Tony to call that entire spectacle a disgusting sham.
do you have numbers for money spent on IRS and Benghazi ? How about obamacare repeal efforts? and how come you're ignoring 911? Where 3000 americans died?
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Iran Contra went 6 yrs and liberals are saying don't dwell on things lets move on. Classic.
raygun got caught, well actually he let Ollie take all the heat.
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do you have numbers for money spent on IRS and Benghazi ? How about obamacare repeal efforts? and how come you're ignoring 911? Where 3000 americans died?
You're really going to argue dollars and cents?

I mean it's all just Keynesian stimulus anyway, AMIRITE. You should be thanking Republicans for Creatin' Jobs the Obama way.

And I'm not sure what your point is about 9/11 exactly. We spent a fair penny on the 9/11 commission. But I guess you're right. I'll ask Tony to go on the record about that being a partisan witch hunt as well. Thanks for the example.
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Wrong. He found out about it when he watched the news. Just like Obama.
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BTW, that article I cited earlier mentioned $30 million on Iran Contra. Adjusted for inflation, that's 50+ million.

I think it's a safe bet that none of the Obama scandal investigations have approached anything like that amount yet.

Say it with me, libocrites. Iran Contra was a Witch Hunt.
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BTW, that article I cited earlier mentioned $30 million on Iran Contra. Adjusted for inflation, that's 50+ million.

I think it's a safe bet that none of the Obama scandal investigations have approached anything like that amount yet.

Say it with me, libocrites. Iran Contra was a Witch Hunt.
Almost as expensive as investigating a BJ.
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Problem is I don't think OBAMACARES.
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Iran Contra was a Witch Hunt.
A "witch hunt"?

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...14 persons were charged with criminal offenses. Eleven persons were convicted, but two convictions were overturned on appeal. Two persons were pardoned before trial and one case was dismissed when the Bush Administration declined to declassify information necessary for trial.
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