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Old 05-01-2014, 09:23 AM   #351
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I think Bitonio is a possibility. Super versatile. He could come in and provide depth along the entire OL, and, imo, compete with Manny immediately.
Bitonio comes up in the discussion below this article on the topic of the Franklin shift and the O-line.

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Old 05-01-2014, 10:02 AM   #352
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Yeah, I have a feeling Bitonio is gonna be the guy.
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Maybe its just because I've wanted the Broncos to draft someone like him since we lost Glyn Milburn, but the thought of Dri Archer taking handoffs against nickels all day is exciting.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:47 PM   #354
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Of course he says that, he knows the value of a franchise QB. But he also knows that he has already picked a QB early to groom behind Manning and Elway should know that if he takes another QB early, this is tantamount to Elway declaring Brock is a failure. So, is Elway willing to admit the Brock pick was bad? He keeps saying Brock is progressing, why throw a monkey wrench into Brock's development by taking yet another QB early? That makes no sense. So, if Elway takes another QB in the second or even 4th round, he pretty much has to dump Brock for team unity IMHO. Furthermore, is taking another QB early really necessary? Will that help the team win now? If Manning goes down, will this rookie QB be able to step in and win immediately?

Hypothetically speaking, if Elway is enamored with Mettenberger and Mettenberger is sitting there in the second round and the Broncos draft him, then the flip side of that coin is that Elway does not think Brock is the guy. Otherwise, if Elway really did think Brock is "the guy" he would not waste a pick on Mettenberger. So basically, Elway would be saying Mettenberger is better than Brock. Ouch.
Not really, Elway could just be saying he does not want to deal with what the Broncos had to deal with before when he retired.
We had Griese and nothing else.

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Yeah, I have a feeling Bitonio is gonna be the guy.
Too high for me. Trading up in the 2nd for him? Yeah, taking him #31?
Let some other team do that.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:12 PM   #355
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Maybe its just because I've wanted the Broncos to draft someone like him since we lost Glyn Milburn, but the thought of Dri Archer taking handoffs against nickels all day is exciting.
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Yeah, I have a feeling Bitonio is gonna be the guy.
Bitonio is an upgrade from Beadles, and can start at LG when Franklin walks. Bitonio can also fill in at RT in case Clark sucks out there.

A good versatile G/T who would be an above-average LG.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:18 PM   #357
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Not really, Elway could just be saying he does not want to deal with what the Broncos had to deal with before when he retired.
We had Griese and nothing else.
Actually, it was Colts situation after Manning went down that prompted Elway, with the blessing of Manning, to find a protege to groom, and that's why the Broncos already have Brock. Point being, if Elway pulls the trigger on another QB in the second round, it's a bad sign for Brock. Furthermore, there is no true plug and play QB in this entire draft, let alone in the second to fourth rounds so taking another QB won't help if Manning goes down. Will it add depth, sure, will it help the team win now, nope.
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Actually, it was Colts situation after Manning went down that prompted Elway, with the blessing of Manning, to find a protege to groom, and that's why the Broncos already have Brock. Point being, if Elway pulls the trigger on another QB in the second round, it's a bad sign for Brock. Furthermore, there is no true plug and play QB in this entire draft, let alone in the second to fourth rounds so taking another QB won't help if Manning goes down. Will it add depth, sure, will it help the team win now, nope.
I am aware of Manning asking Elway who the back up was going to be.
Taking a QB high doesn't mean they have given up on Brock or dislike him, it would mean they want to maximize their ability to have a good depth chart behind Manning and potentially avoid a rebuild after Manning leaves.

All the moves Elway has made have been with more than just now in mind.
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I dont know if i'd take an OL in the 1st round.
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I am aware of Manning asking Elway who the back up was going to be.
Taking a QB high doesn't mean they have given up on Brock or dislike him, it would mean they want to maximize their ability to have a good depth chart behind Manning and potentially avoid a rebuild after Manning leaves.

All the moves Elway has made have been with more than just now in mind.
Well, its certainly not a GOOD sign for him
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Well, its certainly not a GOOD sign for him
It has nothing to do with a sign. If you can draft a highly talented player then you do so.
Just because you like a player doesn't mean you overlook the position if there is value there.
QB tends to be the one position that gets ignored way too much and it's costly.
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It has nothing to do with a sign. If you can draft a highly talented player then you do so. Just because you like a player doesn't mean you overlook the position if there is value there. QB tends to be the one position that gets ignored way too much and it's costly.
but then you are sacrificing your chance of drafting let's say, a Lavonte David type of impact player, in order to have 4 roster spots tied up in the QB position. That would be two second round picks tied up in two QBs who will never see the field unless Manning goes down, and if they do end up starting because Manning is hurt, the season just went to crap anyway. I dunno, maybe, just maybe Brocko can come in and not completely suck. But the point is that you'd have Manning, Brock, Dysert and another high round QB eating up roster space when you could have had LAVONTE DAVID. 'Nuf said.
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It has nothing to do with a sign. If you can draft a highly talented player then you do so.
Just because you like a player doesn't mean you overlook the position if there is value there.
QB tends to be the one position that gets ignored way too much and it's costly.
I don't agree. QB is probably the one position where you shouldn't stockpile considering there's only one guy to do the job. If the Broncos are confident about Osweiler and Dysert, drafting Bridgewater with a number 1 seems like a huge waste of resources.
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but then you are sacrificing your chance of drafting let's say, a Lavonte David type of impact player, in order to have 4 roster spots tied up in the QB position. That would be two second round picks tied up in two QBs who will never see the field unless Manning goes down, and if they do end up starting because Manning is hurt, the season just went to crap anyway. I dunno, maybe, just maybe Brocko can come in and not completely suck. But the point is that you'd have Manning, Brock, Dysert and another high round QB eating up roster space when you could have had LAVONTE DAVID. 'Nuf said.
First, so you like Lavonte David huh?

Second, personally I would have no issue with us taking a QB in round 2.
Enhances the trade bait, hell Brock hasn't shown anything in real game action and teams were calling about him.
You take the best player, if that's a QB,RB,OL then you take it.
It wouldn't shock me if we took a RB high in this draft, I don't expect it but I would not be surprised by it.

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I don't agree. QB is probably the one position where you shouldn't stockpile considering there's only one guy to do the job. If the Broncos are confident about Osweiler and Dysert, drafting Bridgewater with a number 1 seems like a huge waste of resources.
If you think he is a franchise QB then you have to take him unless the package is insane to trade down.
With that said, my stance was using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB, not a 1st.
Short of Carr falling I do not think there is a chance in hell we take a QB in round 1.

No one is locked into this position once Peyton retires.
We have seen many times before what happens when you pass over or ignore the QB position because you have a great one.
It is better to have 2-3 that you can trade or have compete for the job than 1.
We have already seen from the Texans and Chiefs what happens when you do not.
Heck, even the Packers.
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Bridgewater stinks why would we draft him? He won't be a good pro. The qbs in this draft are vastly over-rated.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:29 PM   #366
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Your in win now mode why draft a QB at 31 great value or not. I'd rather trade 31 for 2015 #1 then take a QB. Os I didn't like but, more uncertainty with Mannings health at that point so understood pick alittle.

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First, so you like Lavonte David huh?

Second, personally I would have no issue with us taking a QB in round 2.
Enhances the trade bait, hell Brock hasn't shown anything in real game action and teams were calling about him.
You take the best player, if that's a QB,RB,OL then you take it.
It wouldn't shock me if we took a RB high in this draft, I don't expect it but I would not be surprised by it.



If you think he is a franchise QB then you have to take him unless the package is insane to trade down.
With that said, my stance was using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB, not a 1st.
Short of Carr falling I do not think there is a chance in hell we take a QB in round 1.

No one is locked into this position once Peyton retires.
We have seen many times before what happens when you pass over or ignore the QB position because you have a great one.
It is better to have 2-3 that you can trade or have compete for the job than 1.
We have already seen from the Texans and Chiefs what happens when you do not.
Heck, even the Packers.
Sure, i don't disagree, but stockpiling a bunch just to improve your chances? Eh. Also, and this just sucks, but the history of 2nd and 3rd round QBs is friggin terrible. Other than Brees and I guess Schaub, its a whole lot of fail.
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Sure, i don't disagree, but stockpiling a bunch just to improve your chances? Eh. Also, and this just sucks, but the history of 2nd and 3rd round QBs is friggin terrible. Other than Brees and I guess Schaub, its a whole lot of fail.
Russell Wilson
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Trent dilfer
Mark rypien
Doug Williams

That's like 13 super bowl wins by non first rounders just off the top of my head. It is far from unheard of.
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I can live with Osweiler learning from Manning for another 2 years, after which the Broncos probably re-sign him to become the starter to see what he can do for a year.

I could also live with the Broncos spending a 7th on Brett Smith to replace Dysert. Anything other than that, forget about it.
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I can live with Osweiler learning from Manning for another 2 years, after which the Broncos probably re-sign him to become the starter to see what he can do for a year.

I could also live with the Broncos spending a 7th on Brett Smith to replace Dysert. Anything other than that, forget about it.
I thought Dysert was a good prospect. If Smith were drafted, who goes?
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Russell Wilson
Joe Montana
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Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Trent dilfer
Mark rypien
Doug Williams

That's like 13 super bowl wins by non first rounders just off the top of my head. It is far from unheard of.
I said 2nd and 3rd.

Forgot about Wilson. Though im still not convinced he'll be much of anything.
Brady was a 6th
Warner undrafted
Johnson undrafted
Dilfer was like 6th overall
Rypien - 6th round
Doug WIlliams - 1st round
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I thought Dysert was a good prospect. If Smith were drafted, who goes?
It will come down to rock paper scissors
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Russell Wilson
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Mark rypien
Doug Williams

That's like 13 super bowl wins by non first rounders just off the top of my head. It is far from unheard of.
You forgot Favre & Staubach.
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Dri Archer what round?
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Russell Wilson
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Trent dilfer
Mark rypien
Doug Williams

That's like 13 super bowl wins by non first rounders just off the top of my head. It is far from unheard of.
Dilfer was drafted 6th overall. 1st round
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