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Old 04-25-2014, 12:17 AM   #126
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My firm belief is that you should be able to draft a Pro Bowler in the 1st round.

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1	Jadaveon Clowney	
2	Greg Robinson	
3	Khalil Mack	
4	Jake Matthews	
5	Sammy Watkins	
6	Mike Evans	
7	Darqueze Dennard	
8	Taylor Lewan	
9	Justin Gilbert	
10	Anthony Barr	
11	CJ Mosley	
12	Ryan Shazier	
13	Aaron Donald	
14	Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix	
15	Brandin Cooks	
16	Calvin Pryor	
17	Eric Ebron	
18	Odell Beckham	
19	Blake Bortles	
20	Timmy Jernigan	
21	Xavier Su'a-Filo	
22	Stephon Tuitt	
23	Teddy Bridgewater	
24	Johnny Manziel
25	Kyle Fuller	
26	Jason Verrett	
27	Demarcus Lawrence	
28	Zach Martin	
29	Donte Moncrief	
30	Jimmie Ward	
31	Morgan Moses	
32	Kony Ealy
I only give 1st round grades to guys who are Elite or Pro Bowlers. For me, about #24-#70 in this draft are Solid Starters. After that, are Possible Starters and on down.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:22 AM   #127
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Pretty good process Price.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:34 AM   #128
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I remember in 2010 the "experts" were all saying that draft was the deepest in quite some time. Just wondering what you draft nicks think about the similarities/differences are between that draft and this one is.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:39 AM   #129
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My firm belief is that you should be able to draft a Pro Bowler in the 1st round.

Elite
Pro Bowl Caliber
Solid Starters


Code:
1	Jadaveon Clowney	
2	Greg Robinson	
3	Khalil Mack	
4	Jake Matthews	
5	Sammy Watkins	
6	Mike Evans	
7	Darqueze Dennard	
8	Taylor Lewan	
9	Justin Gilbert	
10	Anthony Barr	
11	CJ Mosley	
12	Ryan Shazier	
13	Aaron Donald	
14	Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix	
15	Brandin Cooks	
16	Calvin Pryor	
17	Eric Ebron	
18	Odell Beckham	
19	Blake Bortles	
20	Timmy Jernigan	
21	Xavier Su'a-Filo	
22	Stephon Tuitt	
23	Teddy Bridgewater	
24	Johnny Manziel
25	Kyle Fuller	
26	Jason Verrett	
27	Demarcus Lawrence	
28	Zach Martin	
29	Donte Moncrief	
30	Jimmie Ward	
31	Morgan Moses	
32	Kony Ealy
I only give 1st round grades to guys who are Elite or Pro Bowlers. For me, about #24-#70 in this draft are Solid Starters. After that, are Possible Starters and on down.
Last week on The Fan, Big Al was gushing about Kyle Fuller. He said if he happens to fall to the Broncos at #31, they should jump all over it.

Agree/disagree, and why?
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:48 AM   #130
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Pretty good process Price.
Your process is better and way more thorough. There's a lot of guys who put in a lot of time commenting on players here on Omane. I respect and appreciate that. It makes leading up to the draft really cool every year.

We each have our own way of enjoying it and having fun. That's the way it's supposed to be!
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:02 AM   #131
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FOr the people who want to trade down, there's only so many roster spots on this team. If you want to get an extra 3rd, fine...but getting 5ths wont do us a ton of good
I agree if anything target 2 players that can start this yr and move up to get them. Trade a 3rd to get higher into the first round. Or maybe use the 3rd to get back up higher into the 2nd round.

If Broncos could get either a DE, or a starting MLB, and then also a slot corner the defense would be mean.
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:06 AM   #132
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I still think though that with Vickerson and Knighton both being big physical players. Sylvester Williams coming on at the end of the yr and also having good size. Wolfe coming back who also has good size at the DE spot. Ware coming over from Dallas who also is a good sized physical DE means the Broncos can start someone like Travatheon in the middle. They just want the MLB to be able to cover and get to both sidelines.

The Broncos will give up run stuffing at the MLB spot IMO.

Mosley and Shazier would both work for Denver IMO.
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:07 AM   #133
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Remember Mosely originally was a coverage specialist who worked hard and became the starting MLB for the tide.

But he can cover better then he can thump. But with our front 4 being so big we can probably get away with it.
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:09 AM   #134
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Then lastly it's easier to find a vet linebacker then a decent cornerback so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Broncos take a corner over a linebacker.
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Last week on The Fan, Big Al was gushing about Kyle Fuller. He said if he happens to fall to the Broncos at #31, they should jump all over it.

Agree/disagree, and why?
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Last week on The Fan, Big Al was gushing about Kyle Fuller. He said if he happens to fall to the Broncos at #31, they should jump all over it.

Agree/disagree, and why?
There's not enough video on him to make a complete evaluation.

From a background perspective, I do believe the Broncos are in need of another top-level talent at CB. I think Chris Harris will be gone after this year, as he'll be asking for more than the Broncos are willing to pay. Not only that, but there is injury concerns with both Harris and Talib. Not to mention Webster is largely an unknown quantity as a 3rd round unheralded draft pick. I have no faith in either Tony Carter or Omar Bolden.

Fuller is extremely difficult to evaluate. There's not a lot of video on him. There's also some durability concerns. He does not have elite top end speed (4.49), but is adequate. He's a fluid athlete, but does not have super-explosive burst out of breaks, even though he has outstanding hops. Shows good ability to close on the ball in coverage, but does not have excellent ball-hawking production. He shows good awareness and willingness to crowd the LOS and strike in run support, yet he doesn't have great upper body strength (12 reps), nor is he particularly physical at the LOS against the pass. He has good size, but can get overwhelmed by bigger WR's. Good character, looks the part. Can he be a solid starter? I don't know.

I like Verrett better for the Broncos (forgot to change that in my top 32), because Verrett has more quick twitch ability to change direction, and more top end speed, leading to more production. Also Verrett plays with a little more fiery attitude, though Fuller isn't bad. From the video we do see, Fuller looks worthy of a pick at #31, but there are some concerns. Could be similar to Jordan Poyer who almost didn't get drafted last year. Unfortunately, I believe the Broncos are somewhat desperate to improve the position, and the starting caliber CB talent gets sparse at #63. You gotta love the unrefined, yet athletic Phillip Gaines, but he'll probably go before #63.

I usually like about 4.45 and lower in the 1st round at CB, unless they are unstoppable on tape (like Dennard). Fuller's tape is good, but I can't find anything from quality opponents.
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He's not had the opportunity to evaluate everyone, or he would think differently, that's all.

This draft is deeeeeeep. I'm talking balls in deeeeep. Their will be second round graded players well into the third and possibly fourth.

And his step by step process is serious, so he didn't have time to evaluate more than a handful of guys.
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If everyone on Denver's list is gone, hopefully one of the QB's fall and a team like Jacksonville or Minnesota will trade back into the 1st if they don't take a QB with their own 1st.
Ideally, that would be great, hoping someone falls to us but that seems pretty unlikely.

Cecil said Den loves Fuller and Mosely.
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Not gonna lie, becoming more open to Jimmie Ward.

IF all the top CB's and Shazier/Mosely are gone.

Seems he could play NCB in sub-packages, instinctive player.
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Not gonna lie, becoming more open to Jimmie Ward.

IF all the top CB's and Shazier/Mosely are gone.

Seems he could play NCB in sub-packages, instinctive player.
BMORE has been calling it!

Plus he will beat out Dream @ FS in the starting lineup!
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Plus he will beat out Dream @ FS in the starting lineup!
Isnt Ward more of a SS than FS, Jimmie of course.

Dont think he'd beat out Rahim though.
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Isnt Ward more of a SS than FS, Jimmie of course.

Dont think he'd beat out Rahim though.
He's listed on some sites as a SS, but he is a FS. His ball skills are outstanding.

He could beat out Moore, it's not like more was anything better than solid to begin with and now he's trying to recover to solid form from his injury.
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Plus he will beat out Dream @ FS in the starting lineup!
If Moore's leg falls off he Jimmie might beat him out.
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If Moore's leg falls off he Jimmie might beat him out.
Are you knocking Ward or high praising Moore, either way your off.
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Are you knocking Ward or high praising Moore, either way you are right.
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I'm not sure why you are saying that, you either don't watch Moore through non biased eyes, and you have clearly never watched Ward play.
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I'm not sure why you are saying that, you either don't watch Moore through non biased eyes, and you have clearly never watched Ward play.
Moore was playing at a very high level before going down, top-10 level at least.

Good against the run, played the deep pass well, broke up passes, he was starting to get IT.

Unless his injury makes him lose a TON of speed, its not that crazy to think he wont start over Jimmie Ward if they took him.

I havent seen alot of Jimmie Ward tape/film but its not too crazy to think Moore could beat him out.
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Moore was playing at a very high level before going down, top-10 level at least.

Good against the run, played the deep pass well, broke up passes, he was starting to get IT.

Unless his injury makes him lose a TON of speed, its not that crazy to think he wont start over Jimmie Ward if they took him.

I havent seen alot of Jimmie Ward tape/film but its not too crazy to think Moore could beat him out.
Moore whiffs on tackles last year and he still takes bad angles all over the field. I'm not sure what blazing speed your talking about. I watched multiple times a player on the other team get behind him and someone else on the team who was way further back hustled to get involved, Moore looked lacksidasical.

He arrives late on pass plays, he lacks ball skills, and game awareness. He is nothing more than a solid FS. I watched him very closely. There are other well respected posters who feel the same way, including one MED!
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If we drafted DeMarcus Lawrence to go with Miller and Ware the NFL would be obliterated.
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He's not had the opportunity to evaluate everyone, or he would think differently, that's all.

This draft is deeeeeeep. I'm talking balls in deeeeep. Their will be second round graded players well into the third and possibly fourth.

And his step by step process is serious, so he didn't have time to evaluate more than a handful of guys.
My problem with what he is claim is he has been saying for months now that he has 21/22 players with first round grades. Where was Dennard during this whole process of his? He just got to watching him last week but, his rankings remain the same. It kind of makes you wonder about who he has really watched IMO.
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My problem with what he is claim is he has been saying for months now that he has 21/22 players with first round grades. Where was Dennard during this whole process of his? He just got to watching him last week but, his rankings remain the same. It kind of makes you wonder about who he has really watched IMO.
He clearly hasn't watched all the prospects, or maybe only a handful.
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