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Old 04-16-2014, 11:07 PM   #376
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Ford will definitely be gone , the others will probably still be there. They're 2nd rnd picks
Sign me up for Hageman in the 2nd.

You're kidding yourself.
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Ford will definitely be gone , the others will probably still be there. They're 2nd rnd picks
Unless all the GM's go brain dead there is not a chance in hell Hageman falls to the 2nd. Too athletic, too much potential and too much of what GM's and scouts love in a DT these days.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:00 AM   #378
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Hageman is strictly a 5-tech IMO. He's a guy that projects to about 40 tackles, 3.0 sacks. Not nearly enough consistent penetration to be an impact player at 3-tech. The Broncos already have 2 guys at the same position who are superior players.

I wouldn't pick him until about #45 overall even if I ran a 3-4.

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I think he will be a flexible DE and DT type and put up very good numbers. I see him being moved all around on D to cause havoc.
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Hageman is strictly a 5-tech IMO. He's a guy that projects to about 40 tackles, 3.0 sacks. Not nearly enough consistent penetration to be an impact player at 3-tech. The Broncos already have 2 guys at the same position who are superior players.

I wouldn't pick him until about #45 overall even if I ran a 3-4.
Yet some experts are stating that the Titans are strongly considering him at 11.
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Yet some experts are stating that the Titans are strongly considering him at 11.
Sure, if you want a guy built like Michael Brockers, yet only produces half as much, and will be 24 years old before the season starts.

Heck, I thought picking Sylvester Williams last year at #28 was a bit of a reach, and Sly is a better player than Hageman.

I like Sly now, because I know as long as he's going his Tasmanian devil thing, good things will happen. It's just a matter of conditioning with him, but he knows how to create havoc. Some guys just don't have the hustle in them. I think Hageman is one of those that 'look like Tarzan, but play like Jane'.
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Funny, my big 3 in the 1st coincide exactly with Cecil Lammey:

1. CJ Mosley
2. Ryan Shazier
3. Kyle Fuller

He also says exactly what I've been saying with priority in first 2 rounds:
1. LB/CB
2. CB/LB (whichever one wasn't picked in the 1st)
That is my list as well, would have no problem with trading up for Mosley. I would also add Xavier Su'a Filo to the list if we are content waiting for a player at 31.
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That is my list as well, would have no problem with trading up for Mosley. I would also add Xavier Su'a Filo to the list if we are content waiting for a player at 31.
I think all 4 of those guys are going to be gone at #31, and that's what worries me. I think Mosley and Shazier are going to be gone before #24, effectively putting them out of trade-up range for the Broncos. I think the Chiefs will pick Su'a Filo at #23 because they need OL help bad, and can pick WR later. And I think Fuller will go before #31, because he's one of the top three CB's in the draft.

That basically leaves us with a bunch of nothing that I want at #31. I guess their final fall back plan is Roby or Verrett. Not that I would be overly excited about either one of those guys. I could probably live with Morgan Moses at #31, realizing that Franklin will probably be gone next year.
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That is my list as well, would have no problem with trading up for Mosley. I would also add Xavier Su'a Filo to the list if we are content waiting for a player at 31.
I wouldnt trade up unless it's like 2-3 spots higher and it cost like a 5th or something.
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Walter football shows the list of prospect meetings. Seems broncos list is quite short compared to all the other teams.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014meetingsteams.php

Interesting that the most looked at position is QB?
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Walter football shows the list of prospect meetings. Seems broncos list is quite short compared to all the other teams.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014meetingsteams.php

Interesting that the most looked at position is QB?
Much better list

The interesting thing to me is they keep bringing in coverage LB's.
Essentially fly around and make plays guys.

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The only other new name mentioned by Legwold is Minnesota DT Ra'Shede Hageman, but he doesn't say whether Denver has met with the player.
Missed this little nugget on the 10th

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Much better list

The interesting thing to me is they keep bringing in coverage LB's.
Essentially fly around and make plays guys.


Missed this little nugget on the 10th
No one saw this coming....oh wait.
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I am pretty sure I have been saying we need a coverage LB and not a thumper..
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We've also met with WR John Brown from Pittsburg State. He said in an interview we were one of three teams he had a lengthy meeting with at the Combine. Nobody seems to have picked up on that yet.
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We've also met with WR John Brown from Pittsburg State. He said in an interview we were one of three teams he had a lengthy meeting with at the Combine. Nobody seems to have picked up on that yet.
I like him a lot. Instant help on special teams as well.
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I am pretty sure I have been saying we need a coverage LB and not a thumper..
It doesn't surprise me, but my preference is a traditional MLB.
From the visits one could surmise that they will indeed go after a guy who can fly around and make plays while Trev dons the play calling role yet again.

I am not a fan of this approach but so long as the overall MLB play improves significantly I will be satisfied.
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It doesn't surprise me, but my preference is a traditional MLB.
From the visits one could surmise that they will indeed go after a guy who can fly around and make plays while Trev dons the play calling role yet again.

I am not a fan of this approach but so long as the overall MLB play improves significantly I will be satisfied.
It will be Irving/FA/Anyone competing for the base running downs snaps. And that's ok. There is no reason to draft a two down thumper, but coverage players are vital to a team who's in subpackages roughly 60% of the time.
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Yet some experts are stating that the Titans are strongly considering him at 11.
As are Pittsburgh and Baltimore at #15 and #17.
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Walter football shows the list of prospect meetings. Seems broncos list is quite short compared to all the other teams.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014meetingsteams.php

Interesting that the most looked at position is QB?
The only Olinemen they've met with are a center and a right guard who are both rated as FA? That doesn't inspire confidence. Hope it's just a ruse.
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Just keep the Kentucky pipeline going and draft AVERY WILLIAMSON later
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It will be Irving/FA/Anyone competing for the base running downs snaps. And that's ok. There is no reason to draft a two down thumper, but coverage players are vital to a team who's in subpackages roughly 60% of the time.
I am aware of that. But I would like to see one of those sub package LB's be a MLB who runs the D and never leaves the field.
MLB is my new DT in terms of an obsession in wanting it to be fixed with a top notch player.

You add the right MLB and that would allow us to not have to run the sub package so much. Which would be much more ideal for both the run defense and the overall LB play.
We have patched and patched and patched the hole over and over again only to have it be a whole the very next season.
It's time to fix it and not have to worry about it for a few seasons.
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The only Olinemen they've met with are a center and a right guard who are both rated as FA? That doesn't inspire confidence. Hope it's just a ruse.
Because if you think about it, I don't see many rookies starting on our OLine. Maybe LG, but that's not a certainty.

If Franklin plays LG and Clark RT, our OLine is set from starters to back-ups.
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I am aware of that. But I would like to see one of those sub package LB's be a MLB who runs the D and never leaves the field.
MLB is my new DT in terms of an obsession in wanting it to be fixed with a top notch player.

You add the right MLB and that would allow us to not have to run the sub package so much. Which would be much more ideal for both the run defense and the overall LB play.
We have patched and patched and patched the hole over and over again only to have it be a whole the very next season.
It's time to fix it and not have to worry about it for a few seasons.
But the players YOU want to do that with will struggle in coverage. So then your best bet is to potentially double dip, take a potential three down player and a sub package guy. That's why I would like Van Noy and Pierre-Louis. Van Noy can cover and play the run and pass rush.

I don't see Shazier or Mosley being there, so Van Noy would be not too Shabby.

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But the players YOU want to do that with will struggle in coverage. So then your best bet is to potentially double dip, take a potential three down player and a sub package guy. That's why I would like Van Noy and Pierre-Louis. Van Noy can cover and play the run and pass rush.

I don't see Shazier or Mosley being there, so Van Noy would be not too Shabby.
Not all of them have struggles in coverage. Mosley & Zumwalt for instance do not struggle which are two of the ones I am highest on.
Borland and Skov are slow and tend to have change of direction issues so you are right there.
I only see one MLB to take in the first round. After that it can wait until round 4-5. Though I would prefer we simply address it in round 1.
You are way too wrapped up in us running the sub package. Or course the same can be said about me wanting a traditional MLB and not a fly around coverage guy.

I like Van Noy but not as a MLB. OLB and DE yes, MLB? no.
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