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Old 12-20-2013, 01:48 PM   #26
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As should politicians accepting money in return for 'favors.'

Lobbyists don't donate millions to campaign chests for grins, they expect and get a return on their investment.
Greasing those political skids isn't any easier to police than your average red light district.

And curtailing private and/or "corporate" (assembled) speech in that effort is like outlawing extramarital sex to stop Prostitutes.

They've been bewhoring themselves for years, so as punishment, let's make them the grand arbiters of all political speech?

No, the answer is to limit their power. Make them look more like Maddow than KU. Then we'll start to see some results.
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Greasing those political skids isn't any easier to police than your average red light district.

And curtailing private and/or "corporate" (assembled) speech in that effort is like outlawing extramarital sex to stop Prostitutes.

They've been bewhoring themselves for years, so as punishment, let's make them the grand arbiters of all political speech?

No, the answer is to limit their power. Make them look more like Maddow than KU. Then we'll start to see some results.
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I still say it's dollars.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:04 PM   #28
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Your question was:
I still say it's dollars.
And I'd say the reason lobbyists are so influential is because our politicians are both powerful and for sale.

Ultimately only the people can deal with those two factors. By demanding both more restraint on government power and more virtue from its representatives.
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Money's the easy answer, but it's not so simple.

Imagine if Kate Upton rented herself out for $1,000 a round. She'd have a virtually limitless amount of business. Whether legal or not.

Is the problem Kate Upton, or the $1,000?
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I still say it's dollars.
Ask ambramoff.
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Old 12-21-2013, 08:12 AM   #31
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Ask ambramoff.
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And I'd say the reason lobbyists are so influential is because our politicians are both powerful and for sale.

Ultimately only the people can deal with those two factors. By demanding both (1) more restraint on government power and (2) more virtue from its representatives.
Absolutely on the first and good luck with the second.

What could go wrong? Lobbyists??
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"Evil" is a point of view. You are better off asking. "Why do people try to survive?"
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:03 PM   #34
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And I'd say the reason lobbyists are so influential is because our politicians are both powerful and for sale.
Careful!

Someone might think you're dissing rich people.
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It's news to liberals that their democrats take money as much as anybody else, if not more. But they try to rationalize it by pretending it is different as they hypocritically do in all other subjects.
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It's news to liberals that their democrats take money as much as anybody else, if not more. But they try to rationalize it by pretending it is different as they hypocritically do in all other subjects.
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gaffe is praising YHWH today...

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You're the uncontested expert on lunacy.
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Nelson Mandela on Palestine

Mandela cuts through the Zionist bs in this interview.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37191.htm

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Remember, folks, in gaffe-speak, "Zionist" means "anyone who doesn't think Israel should be destroyed and who doesn't think Jews run the world via the financial system".

Just keep that in mind when you read his crap.
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Remember, folks, in gaffe-speak, "Zionist" means "anyone who doesn't think Israel should be destroyed and who doesn't think Jews run the world via the financial system".

Just keep that in mind when you read his crap.
What about them Joos running the media?
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:07 AM   #43
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Remember, folks, in gaffe-speak, "Zionist" means "anyone who doesn't think Israel should be destroyed and who doesn't think Jews run the world via the financial system".

Just keep that in mind when you read his crap.
I don't know what Zionist personally means to Gaff, but playing the antisemitism card every time somebody attacks Israel is lazy. It's like playing the race card when people attack Obama. I've never seen anybody here (except maybe txtebow) criticize Obama's race, and I've never seen Gaff make antisemitic statements when he's attacking Zionism. I may be wrong because I haven't read every post. Please feel free to post any of his comments that attack Judaism. It's hard for some people to tell the difference between opposition to Zionism and antisemitism.
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I don't know what Zionist personally means to Gaff, but playing the antisemitism card every time somebody attacks Israel is lazy. It's like playing the race card when people attack Obama. I've never seen anybody here (except maybe txtebow) criticize Obama's race, and I've never seen Gaff make antisemitic statements when he's attacking Zionism. I may be wrong because I haven't read every post. Please feel free to post any of his comments that attack Judaism. It's hard for some people to tell the difference between opposition to Zionism and antisemitism.
When was the last time you saw gaffe criticize any of the actors in the ME besides Israel?

When was the last time you saw gaffe criticize any of the loathsome regimes on the planet besides what he thinks is the worst, Israel, and, its puppet, the US?

In gaffe-land, Israel is the core of evil on the planet.

Do I think Israel is always right? Hell no. Israel can stand on its own - it doesn't need any of our help any more. Do AIPAC and like groups have too much influence in the US? Yes, I think they do.

Doesn't mean Jews/Zionists/Israel run the world, or run the US, as gaffe insinuates but isn't willing to admit.
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I don't know what Zionist personally means to Gaff, but playing the antisemitism card every time somebody attacks Israel is lazy. It's like playing the race card when people attack Obama. I've never seen anybody here (except maybe txtebow) criticize Obama's race, and I've never seen Gaff make antisemitic statements when he's attacking Zionism. I may be wrong because I haven't read every post. Please feel free to post any of his comments that attack Judaism. It's hard for some people to tell the difference between opposition to Zionism and antisemitism.
You nailed it.

I agree with Mandela. That was the whole point of the post. Many Jews were involved in the struggle against Apartheid in S Africa. I personally know one of them - -who spent time in prison.

This Jewish anti Apartheid activist -- like Mandela -- is revolted by Israel's persecution of the Palestinians. Israeli Apartheid is much worse than anything that existed in S Africa.

Zionists have near total control of the US media -- and our Congress -- and target anyone/everyone who opposes them.

So refreshing to see a man -- Mandela -- who has no fear of the smear campaign.

Remember - that interview is 25 years old. Since then, Arafat was murdered by Ariel Sharon -- and Kaddafi was murdered by US lackeys.

We are a long way from a peaceful planet. MHG
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'The Only Thing We Have to Fear...' is the CIA

President Trumanís true warning on the CIA

By Ray McGovern


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When was the last time you saw gaffe criticize any of the actors in the ME besides Israel?
This, pretty much.

It's a fetish, much like txtebow's incessant posting about black crime and only black crime.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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You nailed it.
Yep. Your post nailed you exactly as I described you.
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We are a long way from a peaceful planet. MHG
One of the reasons is your first statement, dickhead.
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One of the reasons is your first statement, dickhead.
It's easy to "win" an argument when you preface it with "they target anyone who opposes them". Just like it is to "prove" any conspiracy.

If you're not in agreement, you're part of it.

It's neither honorable nor productive, but when you're selling books or radical ideas, that really doesn't matter.
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