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Old 11-26-2013, 11:03 AM   #26
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Why you are only obsessed with Wal-Mart and why not companies like Amazon that pays their warehouse workers $11.00 and hour, that's about 22K a year, I’m pretty sure that would qualify the head of household for food stamps. Amazon treats the warehouse pickers like crop pickers only it’s an inside job. Where's the outrage?
When did I say Wal-Mart was the only problem? (in fact, I've said exactly the opposite). They are, however, one of the 800lb gorillas in the 'race to the bottom' and abuse of public assistance to facilitate their business model.
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:06 AM   #27
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You don't think the "buy items in huge bulk off of pallets" model is a little more automated than normal brick and mortar retail?

I guarantee you the average Costco employs far fewer people per store than Walmart.
Not compared to similar business models (i.e. Sams club). They do, however employ fewer people than even Sam's Club, and thats fine. Replacing **** jobs with slightly fewer decent jobs is a net gain for society and for families. Know how many households have two incomes where one of those incomes is used almost entirely to support the things necessary to keep the job (i.e. child care)?
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:07 AM   #28
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It's hilarious how much overlap there is among people who demand society provide for others, and those who have no interest in subjecting themselves to societal demand.
More straw men. Where am i demanding that society provide for others? I'm demanding exactly the opposite. Businesses should not be forcing society to support their workers in order to boost corporate profits.

An honest day's pay for an honest day's work. What's so hard about that?
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:08 AM   #29
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:17 AM   #30
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Not compared to similar business models (i.e. Sams club). They do, however employ fewer people than even Sam's Club, and thats fine. Replacing **** jobs with slightly fewer decent jobs is a net gain for society and for families. Know how many households have two incomes where one of those incomes is used almost entirely to support the things necessary to keep the job (i.e. child care)?
Have you been watching “Leave it to Beaver “reruns again? You know the show where June gets up early and puts on a dress, pearl necklace and lipstick to make breakfast for Ward and the boys. Then he’s off to work at his 9 to5 to provide everything thing they need to maintain the suburban lifestyle.
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:20 AM   #31
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More straw men. Where am i demanding that society provide for others? I'm demanding exactly the opposite. Businesses should not be forcing society to support their workers in order to boost corporate profits.

An honest day's pay for an honest day's work. What's so hard about that?
Seems pretty easy long as you aren't the one paying.
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Seems pretty easy long as you aren't the one paying.
Haven't you been paying attention? We are all paying Wal-Mart (and others like it).
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #33
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Have you been watching “Leave it to Beaver “reruns again? You know the show where June gets up early and puts on a dress, pearl necklace and lipstick to make breakfast for Ward and the boys. Then he’s off to work at his 9 to5 to provide everything thing they need to maintain the suburban lifestyle.
Ahh yes, now a non sequitur. Bravo!
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:31 AM   #35
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:34 AM   #36
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Haven't you been paying attention? We are all paying Wal-Mart (and others like it).
Especially with EBT cards on the 1st and 15th of the month.
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Not compared to similar business models (i.e. Sams club). They do, however employ fewer people than even Sam's Club, and thats fine. Replacing **** jobs with slightly fewer decent jobs is a net gain for society and for families. Know how many households have two incomes where one of those incomes is used almost entirely to support the things necessary to keep the job (i.e. child care)?
It's not really the point to get into the argument whether Sam's Club could pay more. Maybe it could, but regardless, the impact wouldn't be all that significant. Because bulk shopping doesn't meet most people's everyday needs, which is why retailers like Walmart, Target, and increasingly, Amazon, do much larger amounts of business.

Megan McArdle (one of my fav editorialists) laid this all out awhile back (the Costco vs Walmart thing). It's an interesting read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ke-costco.html

As for fewer 'good' jobs replacing ****ty ones, that's completely relative. As the article points out, Walmart employs 3 times as many people per dollar of revenue they take in. If they could somehow cut their workforce by 2/3rds to get down to Costco levels of efficiency, would you consider that a positive for the majority of Walmart employees who'd now be unemployed?
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Attack the world's biggest employer all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Real wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. We should attack the root cause instead of just raising minimum wage and hoping the cost of living doesn't catch up. Inflation helps the wealthy, and they're always happy to raise the minimum wage to new levels that keep their inflationary model running efficiently.
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Have you been watching “Leave it to Beaver “reruns again? You know the show where June gets up early and puts on a dress, pearl necklace and lipstick to make breakfast for Ward and the boys. Then he’s off to work at his 9 to5 to provide everything thing they need to maintain the suburban lifestyle.
You're touching on one of the great unspoken shifts in the American labor force over the last several decades.

Bringing most women into the workforce, we essentially doubled the relative labor force over a very short period of time in this country. To the extent median wages have stagnated, this shift plays a huge, but seldom talked-about part.

Not to say it's a bad change. But those who pine for the good ol' days of 1950's and 60's middle class wages need to realize that some bad probably came with that good.
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:02 PM   #41
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^ Does #2 even make sense?

Government: "You get a trillion dollar tax cut!"

Corporations: "No way, we're moving to China until you let us pay more taxes!"
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^ Does #2 even make sense?

Government: "You get a trillion dollar tax cut!"

Corporations: "No way, we're moving to China until you let us pay more taxes!"
Guys like Buffet and Gates don't mind paying more in taxes since they can afford it and they know much of their competition can't. Idiot liberals rail on big corporations, yet it is raising taxes that the smaller companies can't afford that leaves monopolies, but they are just too dense to figure that out.
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Guys like Buffet and Gates don't mind paying more in taxes since they can afford it and they know much of their competition can't. Idiot liberals rail on big corporations, yet it is raising taxes that the smaller companies can't afford that leaves monopolies, but they are just too dense to figure that out.
Talking about 'idiot' and 'dense.'


Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time Record Peak At 70% Of GDP




http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertle...-2000-or-2007/
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Why don't you start a business with the goal of providing a living wage to unskilled employees who would otherwise make minimum wage? Put your money where your mouth is and show these greedy business owners how utopia works. Risk your personal capital and/or borrow money to compete with other businesses with no guarantee for anything but taxes, regulations, and liability. Pay your employees enough wages to comfortably provide for their families in sickness and health. Give them 6 weeks of annual paid vacation and ACA bronze level health insurance. The purpose of running a business in utopia is to provide social justice. Lead by example so these greedy capitalists can see the light.
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Min wage goes up, so prices do also, and the poor people still have the same amount of money.
Exactly...because its relative.
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Attack the world's biggest employer all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Real wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. We should attack the root cause instead of just raising minimum wage and hoping the cost of living doesn't catch up. Inflation helps the wealthy, and they're always happy to raise the minimum wage to new levels that keep their inflationary model running efficiently.
Exactly...because deflation will NOT be tolerated. That's how we get things, in part, like QE.
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Talking about 'idiot' and 'dense.'


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To say nothing re: the trillions in cash these parasites have stashed away.

It's amazing that so many Fox News lemmings like barryr believe the concentration of wealth in an increasingly smaller number of hands at the expense of everyone else is somehow in their best interest and/or in the best interest of the national (or global) economy.
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S&P 500 profits are soaring to new highs. Big corporations can afford more taxes and gain advantages over the smaller companies that can't afford to play by the same rules. The tax code will always be unfair unless it's simplified. Big money will always find a way not to pay. It just will. Most of the antibusiness ideas flying around hurt small business much more than big business. It's not good for the market when big business centralizes, takes over and monopolizes everything. I want to create new business opportunities, not become the United States of the S&P 500.

It is the worst of times for new business
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Easy way to raise wages: Purge the illegal aliens. You'll see wages and job openings go up overnight.

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To say nothing re: the trillions in cash these parasites have stashed away.

It's amazing that so many Fox News lemmings like barryr believe the concentration of wealth in an increasingly smaller number of hands at the expense of everyone else is somehow in their best interest and/or in the best interest of the national (or global) economy.
When taxes go up, people either hide their money in tax shelters or off-shore it. Lower taxes and they are willing to invest and thus create more jobs.
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