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Old 12-20-2013, 08:35 AM   #26
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Old 12-20-2013, 08:37 AM   #27
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my family is and has been many years
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Old 12-20-2013, 08:44 AM   #28
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Why? they don't have outside speed except for Hillman and he's benched. Inside runs are about all Moreno is capable of IMO.
I disagree, respectfully.
Moreno has always been good in space, thats why I call him the astronaut.
BALL is shifty and a challenge 1 on 1
I would like to see them work the edge. This also forces the collapsing defensive ends to respect an outside thread, providing more time for PFM who aint leaving the pocket !
a pitch sets up a FAKE pitch, that will buy PFM more time and also provide a nice passing target if the contain defender ignores it and closes in on the pocket.

I hop e we will see morer wrinkles to our offense in the play-offs, more snaps from under center
more 2 TE sets
the occasional 2 back formation.
san diego demonstrated that they could predict our O and cover our receivers, because they recognised our plays, formations and pass routes.
Part of that was a short week and tired arm, but that stale vanilla offense didnt help.
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:06 AM   #29
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Reggie Bush is an astronaut. Moreno is an astronaut that isn't in space..
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:08 AM   #30
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Sure, but we're talking about an insanely small sample size
Yes, but one bad sample in the playoffs and you're going home!
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:18 AM   #31
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Yes, but one bad sample in the playoffs and you're going home!
Sure thats the nature of football. Every year we attempt to make narratives out of things that can probably be chalked up to randomness.
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:22 AM   #32
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not trolling, just a football fan of the Broncos
my family is and has been many years
welcome bro, dont LEAK too much info !
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:24 AM   #33
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Yes, but one bad sample in the playoffs and you're going home!
... or getting suspended for 6 weeks !
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:27 AM   #34
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not trolling, just a football fan of the Broncos
my family is and has been many years
I'm liking this. We are now stockpiling the all caps gourmet all-stars.

Remember mario, just start hitting keys, no thought required. Make many false predictions, backed with false facts - it's a "reciPE FOr suCCESS!"
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #35
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:42 AM   #36
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cept for one player, of course
you're a chef. Super Mario was a plumber, duh!
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:45 AM   #37
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They need to do median average instead of mean. Mean is too easy to influence with outliers like the KFC run.
This. I've always thought they should do this with YPC in general, in addition to mean. That way you can tell the difference between the Chris Johnson types and the Eddie George types. The only problem I can see is that you can only measure the median in half yard increments, right? As in it's either 4 ypc, 5 ypc, or 4.5 ypc.
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Old 12-20-2013, 10:25 AM   #38
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Also, Moreno has been running hard and strong all season. So this is bull****.
I tend to agree. I knew Ball would be near the top from my eye contact but I have seen Moreno fight his way back to at least the line to not lose any yards. I know that is part of the stat but I don't have this as a complaint. Compliment does go to Ball on it.
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Old 12-20-2013, 10:29 AM   #39
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I am far more interested in third down conversions by backs.
did the guy get the first down/
thats all that matters.
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Old 12-20-2013, 11:19 AM   #40
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Ideally Moreno is our third down back and Montee takes over as our first and second down runner. I do like what I have been seeing from him lately, running, pass protecting, receiving. Montee runs hard, in the San Diego game I was shocked when he was tackled by his helmet in the backfield. Somehow I thought he was going to manage to break off and turn that negative play into a positive run.
I agree, Ball is more explosive and dynamic, with his improvement in pass blocking and making more catches he is progressing nicely. Love KM's heart, glad he is on the team but Ball should be the early down RB.
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Old 12-20-2013, 11:23 AM   #41
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I agree, Ball is more explosive and dynamic, with his improvement in pass blocking and making more catches he is progressing nicely. Love KM's heart, glad he is on the team but Ball should be the early down RB.
not until he learns the ENTIRE playbook / gameplan, and the coaches feel confident that he wont miss any blitz -pick-up assignments.
running the ball is still NOT the top priority for our RBs ! wake up !
protecting PFM is job one for our RBs, thats why moreno, NOT ball is on the field !
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I miss Lance Ball.

You can never have too many balls.
what about the lottery?
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Old 12-20-2013, 11:30 AM   #43
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multiple balls and bells, a bronco tradition.
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Old 12-20-2013, 11:44 AM   #44
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I agree, Ball is more explosive and dynamic, with his improvement in pass blocking and making more catches he is progressing nicely. Love KM's heart, glad he is on the team but Ball should be the early down RB.
I agree but would wait until next year. I still trust Moreno more this year to be the main guy. But it's becoming more and more of a committee which is also nice.

And I think TonyR had it right by saying that Moreno carries guys for a couple yards more than breaking a tackle and picking up another 20. Which is why I think the median would be a better stat to look at if only it existed. I think Moreno, Lynch, and AP are the angriest runners in the league.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:02 PM   #45
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Yards after contact can be very misleading as it doesn't differentiate between tough yards where a back simply refuses to go down but only gains two extra yards and yards gained after breaking a pathetic tackle attempt by a corner that leads to a thirty yard gain. Short yardage backs for instance will rarely have very good yards after contact stats but are generally the toughest backs to tackle.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:07 PM   #46
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ackles-part-2/

This is an interesting article, and both of our primary running backs make an appearance. It looks at how many yards a running back gains after first contact, and how much those yards contribute to their overall yardage.

No Broncos running back show up on either the high or low lists for outside rushes. Which isn't that surprising, as we rarely do it (I do wonder if that's a wrinkle being held back for the playoffs).

On inside runs, however, Montee Ball is among the league leaders at #7. He gains 58.4% of his yards after first contact. He averages 2.5 yards after contact, putting him just behind Adrian Petersen. I do have to wonder how much that long run against K.C. skews this, however.

Moreno shows up on the bottom of the list with 47.6% of his yards coming after first contact. Averaging only 1.73 yards after contact. McGahee, interestingly, is also near the bottom of the list.

I have no idea if this actually means anything, but I thought it was interesting.

It's doubtful that they are holding back anything in the offense, in fact, Mannings MO has always been to have a very limited play book in regards to number the of plays they run. He prefers spending time on reaping what they do have than what he feels is wasting time on learning new plays. Peyton likes to take advantage of matchups, and grinds on perfecting those play through execution. I'm torn because if you have noticed, on 3rd downs, other teams dial plays on 3rd down that have receivers running wide open. While the Broncos, and when he was a Colt had defenders hanging all over the receivers because they knew what was coming on 3rd down. I just like in the playoffs, you need a handful of plays for critical 3rd downs, but Manning really doesn't do that. He is such a big believer in execution, he doesn't care if you know what the play is, but it also hurts his offense in the play offs when the officials swallow their whistles and give the defenders a license to grab and hold.
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^ Interesting point, Ram. Hadn't really thought of these possible implications.
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^ Interesting point, Ram. Hadn't really thought of these possible implications.
but does explain the perfection Manning puts on his players and himself. We know no one is perfect and that can hurt us with his thinking come playoff time.
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It's doubtful that they are holding back anything in the offense, in fact, Mannings MO has always been to have a very limited play book in regards to number the of plays they run. He prefers spending time on reaping what they do have than what he feels is wasting time on learning new plays. Peyton likes to take advantage of matchups, and grinds on perfecting those play through execution. I'm torn because if you have noticed, on 3rd downs, other teams dial plays on 3rd down that have receivers running wide open. While the Broncos, and when he was a Colt had defenders hanging all over the receivers because they knew what was coming on 3rd down. I just like in the playoffs, you need a handful of plays for critical 3rd downs, but Manning really doesn't do that. He is such a big believer in execution, he doesn't care if you know what the play is, but it also hurts his offense in the play offs when the officials swallow their whistles and give the defenders a license to grab and hold.
bingo, or as was the case on thurs. PFMs arm was not rested and he could not hit those same windows to beat coverage.
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Old 12-20-2013, 11:06 PM   #50
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I would like to see a few pitch plays for both backs, maybe something we are saving for the play-offs.
You caused me to engage the dusty old gears of my memory with this one and the following post also. As a QB Manning has few weaknesses' this might be one of them. He isn't very good with his movements to the right or left coming from under center and on the zone pitch or the roll out and pitch back.

I don't remember the Colts using these type plays very often and we certainly haven't seen them here. I don't believe its something he is comfortable doing.
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