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Old 12-14-2013, 07:03 PM   #26
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I predict a bloodbath in this thread.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:03 PM   #27
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because only a homer can take the guy who carried his teams to 3 Super Bowls in the 80s and won 2 others a decade later? A QB who played in an era where QBs were not protected as they are now and offenses did not have the rules changed/emphasized to tilt the league to a quasi-Arena-style game. Both QBs are on the short list of best QBs to play the game. It's not a homer pick and it really isn't much of a slight (if it's a slight at all) to Manning either.
Nobody talks about Elway as one if the greatest of all time nor would most outside of the Denver fan base take Elway over Manning in that conversation.

It's a biased answer because he was the greatest QB in the history of the franchise, and as an Elway fan I enjoyed watching him. But he was not on Peyton's level. Not even close.

Interestingly before he won the SBs hebwas also considered a QB who couldn't win the big game.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:04 PM   #28
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Elway and Manning is a toss up. Elway was perfect for his offense, and Manning, his.

The 97 OL was way better, esp. at run blocking, but they were healthy too. A Clady-less '13 OL is really handicapped in what they can do as far as protections; but they are good enough and functional.

TD is a no-brainer over Moreno, but Ball is a way better back up right now over Derick Loville, as we saw in SB 32 when TD went out.

I love Ed & Rod, and I think Willie Green was the slot, but I think DT, Decker, & Welker is better as a unit.

Sharpe over Julius Thomas, but Thomas is 1st year as a starter and will get better.

Howard Griffith vs nobody is a push because this team doesn't have, need, nor use a true FB.

A healthy Vick is better than Michael Dean Perry, but Pot Roast & Keith Traylor may be a push, I'm not sure.

Neil Smith over Wolfe, but a healthy Wolfe would make it closer. Big Al over Shaun Phillips or Ayers, but Phillips wasn't meant to be a starter, to be fair.

John Mobley over Woodyard, but I'll take Von & Trevathan over Romo & Aldrige.

Atwater over any '13 safeties, but probably a healthy Moore over Chicken. Without Moore, Chicken over anyone else left over.

DRC & Harris, Jr. over any 97 CB's, but Gordon is better than whatever we have left after an unhealthy Champ.

Gordon over Holliday as he hit home runs occasionally, but never made me nervous.

Elam vs Prater is a push, but Prater is more consistent in getting a touch- back on kickoffs, imo.

Colquitt way over Rouen. Rouen is my least favorite Bronco. It just always seemed that no matter who we played, the other punter was always better. Colquitt may not have the strongest leg in the league, but he is pretty accurate getting many punts inside the 20.

In summary, I think it is close, but this team is really handicapped by injuries, and is much younger. The 97 team was full of vets(and aged) but was incredibly healthy. Also, maybe if we wait until after the playoffs, instead of after a loss, things may change.
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I'm just glad that Elway was and Manning currently is a Bronco....
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:08 PM   #30
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Elway had a great in his last couple seasons—a perfect finish to a legendary career. Peyton can win three straight Super Bowls, and the Duke is still the god of Bronco football. But Manning right now is having maybe the best season by a quarterback ever. You wouldn't have to bump Elway from your "Favorite/Best Bronco QB Ever" ranking if you were to admit that 2013 Manning is an upgrade on almost any QB in almost any year.

I think combining the teams you take the 97 o-line, Sharpe obviously, TD obviously, then at WR the depth chart goes Demaryius, Rod Smith, Welker, McCaffery.
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I'm just glad that Elway was and Manning currently is a Bronco....
Thank you Errand. I just hope Peyton can go out like Elway!
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Some Harrison, Wayne, Clark were all pros and they made Manning look good? I forgot about all the other players Manning has had like Blair White, Anthony Gonzales, Austin Collie, Pierre Garçon, Jacob Tamme, Ben Utect, Brody Eldridge, Joseph Addai, Dominick Rhodes...

Should I touch the offensive line?

Peyton makes everyone he plays with better. Look at Caldwell Thursday night. You act as though Elway played with no talent. Maybe Manning enhanced the level of everyone around him.

Imagine if Peyton had TD running the ball and the Broncos defense.
Elway played with no talent for the vast majority of his career.
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Elway played with no talent for the vast majority of his career.
Yeah Indy was loaded.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:19 PM   #34
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Imagine if Peyton had TD running the ball and the Broncos defense.
You really shouldnt go there... The Broncos in the 80's are nothing without Elway. The team,,, the city,, the fanbase,,, they're nothing. And lets please not forget that Elway was the best QB prospect to come out of college EVER. Put a 27 yr old Elway on the Bears right now with Marshall and Jeffries and see if he doesnt win MVP
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Elway played with no talent for the vast majority of his career.

True, unless you consider Sammy Winder, Clarence Kay, a no-pro bowl OL, and Ricky Nattiel talented.
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Yeah Indy was loaded.
Harrison and Wayne are probably going to be in the HOF. Elway was lucky to have a pro bowler.
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I'd rather not get into a pissing match about the Elway vs. Manning argument. As I said in my earlier post, Elway was perfect in his 97 offense, as Manning is in this current one.

They are vastly different QB's as are the offenses. The 97 offense could & would run on just about anyone, then Elway would burn them. This offense is making NFL history passing on just about everyone, then will run to change it up and close games.

But that team lost 4 games, this one so far 3. We know what the 97 team did in the playoffs, let's wait and see before we write the book on this one.
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Romo was an OLB on the 97 team. Aldridge was the mike. Von over Romo easily imo.
Romo 4 Superbowl wins, Von 0 Romo is something Von is not and that is a leader on that side of the ball.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:34 PM   #39
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Harrison and Wayne are probably going to be in the HOF. Elway was lucky to have a pro bowler.
Did Vance Johnson ever get a pro-bowl? I'm not sure if he did. I don't think he ever had an O-lineman get one until Zimmerman, and that was mid-nineties.
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Romo 4 Superbowl wins, Von 0 Romo is something Von is not and that is a leader on that side of the ball.
True, but he was also cheating, he admits it. Von just likes to party.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:39 PM   #41
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I'd take all 3 WRs on this team over Smith and McCaffrey.
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I'd take all 3 WRs on this team over Smith and McCaffrey.
The WR's we have today might be faster and even more talented, but they're nowhere near as physical as Easy Ed and Rod....
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I'd take all 3 WRs on this team over Smith and McCaffrey.
Lol. The current lineup gets physically dominated by the likes of Cassius Vaughn, Kyle Arrington, and Aquib Talib. They also play with a completely different set of rules stacked markedly in their favor.
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I'd take all 3 WRs on this team over Smith and McCaffrey.
Me too. Btw, the 3rd WR on the 97 team was Willie Green. Who's he, you may ask? Exactly.
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Me too. Btw, the 3rd WR on the 97 team was Willie Green. Who's he, you may ask? Exactly.
He was the guy who didn't play because we had Howard Griffith destroying worlds.
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I'd take Howard Griffth and 21 personnel over Welker and 11 personnel every day, and twice on Sunday.
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He was the guy who didn't play because we had Howard Griffith destroying worlds.
Just the point I was about to make.
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A healthy Champ Bailey, DRC for sure. Maybe Harris but Crockett had some good moments. Of course Miller. Either Knighton or Vickerson, maybe both. For sure Colquitt. Those are the easy ones. The close ones would obviously Manning/Elway - Decker/Thomas vs Smith/McCaffery - Prater vs Elam
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I don't think some of you actually followed those 90's teams. Why?

Because I would take Romo over Von any day of the week when the game was on the line. He was a beast. He played for big games....what did he end up with 5 rings??

And, I'd take Chicken over any of our safeties. Braxton was TO machine....something this team needs more of.

The biggest difference in my opinion...is something that I don't believe has even been mentioned! And..that's LEADERSHIP!

The 97 & 98 Teams had leadership in every area. I mean Neil Smith, Romo, Atwater, Stink, Zimm, Elway, Sharpe, Griffith, and an up and coming Rod Smith.

This team is sorely lacking when it comes to leadership. Manning...and then
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I'd take all 3 WRs on this team over Smith and McCaffrey.
I wouldn't. Rod Smith was the quickest WR I've ever seen...in terms of catching the ball and heading up field....always getting positive yards. And Eddie Mac....was a guy Decker is striving to become. DT in another year or so....maybe. But, not now.
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