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Old 11-27-2013, 04:11 AM   #101
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It looks like as far as passing, there isn't really anything that can be picked out that is off. However, his fumbles are way up. His career average for the season before coming to Denver is 4.38 per season. In two games with the gloves, he's at 3 fumbles.

However, it's hard to blame the gloves on that, though... Here's the most shocking stat of all - Peyton has fumbled a career high 10 times this season, losing a career high of 6. The most he's ever lost in a season is 3.

Fumbles aside, the trendline on the completion percentage is a little disturbing. It's a downwards slope. Whether it means anything in the grand scheme of things, who knows... but a trend is a trend.

That game was bothersome, because it was clearly Peyton's worst game as a Bronco, and that's not the team we want our guy to have his worst game against.

I'm inclined to believe that the problems are less about the gloves and more about what's happening between his ears that game. And as far as his record fumbles go... Any way we slice that one, that's a bad stat.
The fumble stat makes me seriously wonder about the strength of his grip.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:09 AM   #102
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The fumble stat makes me seriously wonder about the strength of his grip.
How many were while he was about to throw the ball?

QB's routinely fumble more than other players because they get blindsided
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Old 11-27-2013, 06:34 PM   #104
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Few days after looking back...i'm still rather worried.

It's the way we responded after they pulled it to 24-7. I mean, ****ing hell that happens a lot in this league with a large lead and Brady is going to put points back on the board. Instead we immediately pissed ourselves, turned it over, then had a horrible series where we looked like the Brandon Weeden led browns and punted. Basically once NE scored we ran around like a shower of headless chickens on fire. Shows a worrying lack of character. Welker ****ting himself and having the worst game of the season when he should have had his best...dafuq is this ****? Who stepped up and was a man when the chips were? ****ing nobody. Half of them looked like the piss had frozen to the side of their legs.

Our ability to run the ball like that is the major plus and it helps a ton but i dunno what got into manning that day, he was a liability which is saying something. Questions naturally have to be asked about his neck and nerve damage, had the look of someone in pain all night and he had several throws Tebow would have been proud of...the **** is with that?
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Few days after looking back...i'm still rather worried.

It's the way we responded after they pulled it to 24-7. I mean, ****ing hell that happens a lot in this league with a large lead and Brady is going to put points back on the board. Instead we immediately pissed ourselves, turned it over, then had a horrible series where we looked like the Brandon Weeden led browns and punted. Basically once NE scored we ran around like a shower of headless chickens on fire. Shows a worrying lack of character. Welker ****ting himself and having the worst game of the season when he should have had his best...dafuq is this ****? Who stepped up and was a man when the chips were? ****ing nobody. Half of them looked like the piss had frozen to the side of their legs.

Our ability to run the ball like that is the major plus and it helps a ton but i dunno what got into manning that day, he was a liability which is saying something. Questions naturally have to be asked about his neck and nerve damage, had the look of someone in pain all night and he had several throws Tebow would have been proud of...the **** is with that?
I'm watching replay right now, WTF with all the Manning bashing? If Peyton had wide ******* open receivers like brady did, maybe he would have had better numbers. Peyton made some great throws to double coverage, not his fault for the drops.

This loss is on the d, not PFM.
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How many were while he was about to throw the ball?

QB's routinely fumble more than other players because they get blindsided
Sure, but he's fumbling at a rate well over double of any other season in his career. It doesn't make you wonder?
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I'm watching replay right now, WTF with all the Manning bashing? If Peyton had wide ******* open receivers like brady did, maybe he would have had better numbers. Peyton made some great throws to double coverage, not his fault for the drops.

This loss is on the d, not PFM.
The D scored a TD and set us up on short fields twice.. DRC went down, their line started to block and we had a HOF QB tearing us to ribbons because we had literally nothing in the already depleted secondary.

You cannot genuinely give Manning a pass for that, he was terrible. He may have had covered receivers and all that but he's a contender for GOAT and should be able to do better against the pats than a 70 QBR...a full 40 points worse than he's been on average this season.
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Sure, but he's fumbling at a rate well over double of any other season in his career. It doesn't make you wonder?
No it doesn't....It'd be different if he was fumbling the ball just by sliding around in the pocket. But he's fumbled while being sacked more often than just letting the ball slip from his hands.

Add in that he only had 2 fumbles all of last year....which poses the question, why? Wouldn't it make more sense that if nerve damage was the cause of his fumbling in '13, why wasn't it an issue in '12 when the nerve was in worse condition?

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No it doesn't....It'd be different if he was fumbling the ball just by sliding around in the pocket. But he's fumbled while being sacked more often than just letting the ball slip from his hands.

Add in that he only had 2 fumbles all of last year....which poses the question, why? Wouldn't it make more sense that if nerve damage was the cause of his fumbling in '13, why wasn't it an issue in '12 when the nerve was in worse condition?
Yeah, QB fumbles are completely dependent on getting sacked from the blindside while throwing and therefore very, very random in small sample sizes. The other thing to consider is the bad snaps that ManRam has had this year that count as fumbles for Manning as well, so that also explains the increase. A QB's fumble numbers have nothing to do with his grip, since a QB doesn't "cover up" with both arms while throwing the ball.
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