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Old 11-22-2013, 10:02 AM   #51
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:22 AM   #52
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Seriously?? We can play the 'hypocrisy' game all day with politicians. Just quote god's forgiveness and flip flop


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Old 11-22-2013, 10:43 AM   #53
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Hypocrisy is universal. It's the death of a centuries old legislative restraint that's the issue.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:54 AM   #54
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Sure, so long as we make sure every single person in this country can vote, and take big steps to keep them from being disenfranchised. Democracy is awesome, a powerful wealthy minority is not.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:56 AM   #55
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This is only about breaking the tie at the DC court of appeals nothing more. It's another strong armed tactic from Obama. Then he can sick the EPA on everyone his last 2 yrs and get a rubber stamp from the Fed Appeals court in DC. Dangerous precedent though and one day dems could be in the minority, and not like what happens.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:30 PM   #56
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:37 PM   #57
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Oh no, a black man with a stick. Someone call the police.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:41 PM   #58
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Hypocrisy is universal. It's the death of a centuries old legislative restraint that's the issue.
Restraint? One that was abused beyond all reason and purpose.

It will get reinstated once they come to their senses in DC and get back to bipartisan politics.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:46 PM   #59
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I understand why they did it, don't like it but understand. BTW McCain and small number of Republicans tried to free up a number of nominees so this wouldn't happen
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The filibuster in it's current form is a gross abuse of the concept. The sooner the current form gets destroyed the better.

A filibuster is meant for the minority to block something that they find bad enough to actually put themselves on the line to oppose. It should never have become something as trivial and therefore routine as it is under Obama.

The modern filibuster is essentially a back door rewriting of the constitution to impose a super majority requirement for bills to pass the Senate. Doesn't matter what party is in control, I do not support it used that way.
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Old 11-22-2013, 05:18 PM   #61
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The Democrats did this because they've done the calculation and know they're going to lose the Senate in 2014. They need to get as many people confirmed between now and then. That's why they did this.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out from here moving on. I suspect we've seen the end of the filibuster rule, and there won't be any form of "reform" until years from now.
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The filibuster used by democrats is always used for sound reasons and purposes, while republicans only use it for evil and because they are racists of course.
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Repubs been using it so much because of one issue. The EPA and whether or not co2 should be classified as a pollutant on the same level with things like heavy metals and sulfer emissions etc etc. Repubs fear that is an attack on everyone from ranchers and farmers, to truckers, to energy producing states. It's really not about stopping filibusters. That is why Reid said not for Supreme Court or legislation. Only for cabinet and appeals courts etc. Obama wants to make changes in cabinet and knows all his picks are crap and needs a rubber stamp for them.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:59 PM   #64
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Problem is repubs always take what dems do and run with it, or vice versa. If repubs get power dont be surprised if they change the rules for a Supreme Court nominee and pass someone like Bork through.
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Problem is repubs always take what dems do and run with it, or vice versa. If repubs get power dont be surprised if they change the rules for a Supreme Court nominee and pass someone like Bork through.
There is literally no reason to subject a nominee to the mud dredging sessions they've been exposed to in the past. Call for an up or down vote. If the minority blocks, you change the rules midstream, Reidstyle, and voila, the majority confirms the nominee.

There is no way this doesn't happen for the next Supreme Court nominee, assuming they have majority Senate support in the first place. The filibuster is effectively dead.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:03 AM   #66
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Maybe there have been some filibusters happening because the nominees are so weak and have no purpose to be on a judicial court. Seems this last one from North Carolina was an ever increasing group of incompetent picks.
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There is literally no reason to subject a nominee to the mud dredging sessions they've been exposed to in the past. Call for an up or down vote. If the minority blocks, you change the rules midstream, Reidstyle, and voila, the majority confirms the nominee.

There is no way this doesn't happen for the next Supreme Court nominee, assuming they have majority Senate support in the first place. The filibuster is effectively dead.
It was on a suicide run the instant they changed it to be anonymous, silent and trivial to do. The Constitution is very clear: simple majority rules (with a few exceptions) in both the house and the senate. Procedural rule changes that attempt to subvert the Constitution should be opposed by all that respect the Constitution.

Time for all parties to put their big boy pants on and realize that when they are in the minority, they don't get their way. Want to get your way? Convince the majority of voters that your way is the best way and get voted in.

You know, how the Constitution set up our government to function.
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It was on a suicide run the instant they changed it to be anonymous, silent and trivial to do. The Constitution is very clear: simple majority rules (with a few exceptions) in both the house and the senate. Procedural rule changes that attempt to subvert the Constitution should be opposed by all that respect the Constitution.

Time for all parties to put their big boy pants on and realize that when they are in the minority, they don't get their way. Want to get your way? Convince the majority of voters that your way is the best way and get voted in.

You know, how the Constitution set up our government to function.
I agree on some level. But as far as nominations went, this was upheld by a more-or-less gentleman's agreement. Nominees by and large weren't filibustered before the last decade or so.

On another level, you can't say what you just said and then call House Republicans hostage-takers when they apply the leverage you would otherwise claim they're entitled to.
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