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Old 11-06-2013, 11:59 AM   #26
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I think you might find the article more interesting if you read the introduction. It specifically says, "A slight adjustment to our usual Power Rankings this week. Rather than placing the teams 1-32, each franchise is standing alone for a midseason assessment of where it stands in relation to its expectations prior to Week 1." Given that caveat, this is a fair assessment of the Broncos. Our defense has not shown that it is ready for a post season run.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2jtbvOKvi
Even that logic fails. We knew before week #1 that we would have no Von Miller and that Champ would also be out. I also think we were already starting our 3rd center before training camp ended. But were we expecting the Broncos to be a perfect 8-0? I think that's pretty darn high expectations for any team, during any year. You have to figure you might have at least 1 loss. It's the NFL. So you can basically say the Broncos are right about where we expected them, with the losses we had early on before the season started, maybe even higher actually.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:07 PM   #27
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I expected the Broncos to win the Superbowl. They have failed to meet my expectations.

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:09 PM   #28
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I expected the Broncos to win the Superbowl. They have failed to meet my expectations.

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And don't forget.......

I expected the Jets to suck.....but instead they are 1 game above .500 and just "average".

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:12 PM   #29
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And don't forget.......

I expected the Jets to suck.....but instead they are 1 game above .500 and just "average".

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Jags, I expected them to suck, they suck, so they get a solid C.
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And don't forget.......

I expected the Jets to suck.....but instead they are 1 game above .500 and just "average".

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Yes, they have far exceeded expecations and thus get an A relative to those expectations.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #31
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Jags, I expected them to suck, they suck, so they get a solid C.
They have been awful, even worse than low expectation, thus an F-. What aren't you guys understanding here? You don't have to agree with the grades but they really aren't all that outlandish based on this:

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A slight adjustment to our usual Power Rankings this week. Rather than placing the teams 1-32, each franchise is standing alone for a midseason assessment of where it stands in relation to its expectations prior to Week 1.
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And that's an important note, lest you wonder why certain teams drew the same grade as others with better records: These marks are half based on performance, half on how that performance measures up to the potential on the rosters.
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Yes, they have far exceeded expecations and thus get an A relative to those expectations.
We get it. But still contend that is stupid to GRADE a team based on expectations. Again, read post #22.

If the dumbass of a classroom is expected to get 10 out of 10 problems wrong.......but instead gets 3 problems correct......do you give him a 30% (F) that he "performed" at.....or do you give him an A and pass him because he "exceeded" your expectations?

The beef we have is with the word "grading". If you "grade" someone....simply tell us how they've performed......ummmm, GRADE their performance.

In short, there's nothing wrong with stating how someone performed relative to expectations......but that's now how you should be "graded".

Nitpicking? Perhaps. But words mean things.....and oh yeah, the "article" still sucked.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:40 PM   #33
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Speaking of grades, here are Legwold's detailed grades for the Broncos:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...denver-broncos
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"1. The Kansas City Chiefs will win the AFC West
The Chiefs aren't undefeated solely because of a dominant defense and a soft schedule. They also happen to have the league's best karma. In their past five games alone -- including Sunday's 23-13 win over Buffalo -- they've had the luxury of playing four teams that were using backup quarterbacks. They've also watched their main AFC West rival, the Broncos, suffer through a number of setbacks, including injuries to two starting offensive linemen and the recent heart operation that could keep coach John Fox off the sideline until the playoffs.

In other words, until now, there's never been a time this season when Kansas City has seemed likely to surpass the Broncos. The Chiefs already have been the most resourceful team in the NFL. Now they're about to look like its most fortunate, especially if they can weather a second half that includes two games each against Denver and San Diego and a regular-season home finale with Indianapolis.


2. The Broncos will struggle without John Fox
The people who think the Broncos can get along just fine without Fox -- who could miss the rest of the regular season after heart surgery -- are underestimating his value to that team. Quarterback Peyton Manning might be dominating the headlines with his MVP-worthy play so far (2,919 passing yards, 29 touchdowns, 6 interceptions), but Fox has done a few things to help their cause, as well. Given the state of Denver's team in recent weeks, Fox's absence should cause more concern.

The defense ranks tied for 25th in points allowed (27.3 per game). The offense struggled with protection issues in an upset loss to Indianapolis. This isn't the same team that was running wild in the first few weeks of this season. Tougher games lie ahead (including divisional matchups with Kansas City and San Diego), and Fox's absence will be felt, even with experienced Jack Del Rio filling in as interim head coach."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...dseason-report
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"1. The Kansas City Chiefs will win the AFC West
The Chiefs aren't undefeated solely because of a dominant defense and a soft schedule. They also happen to have the league's best karma. In their past five games alone -- including Sunday's 23-13 win over Buffalo -- they've had the luxury of playing four teams that were using backup quarterbacks. They've also watched their main AFC West rival, the Broncos, suffer through a number of setbacks, including injuries to two starting offensive linemen and the recent heart operation that could keep coach John Fox off the sideline until the playoffs.

In other words, until now, there's never been a time this season when Kansas City has seemed likely to surpass the Broncos. The Chiefs already have been the most resourceful team in the NFL. Now they're about to look like its most fortunate, especially if they can weather a second half that includes two games each against Denver and San Diego and a regular-season home finale with Indianapolis.


2. The Broncos will struggle without John Fox
The people who think the Broncos can get along just fine without Fox -- who could miss the rest of the regular season after heart surgery -- are underestimating his value to that team. Quarterback Peyton Manning might be dominating the headlines with his MVP-worthy play so far (2,919 passing yards, 29 touchdowns, 6 interceptions), but Fox has done a few things to help their cause, as well. Given the state of Denver's team in recent weeks, Fox's absence should cause more concern.

The defense ranks tied for 25th in points allowed (27.3 per game). The offense struggled with protection issues in an upset loss to Indianapolis. This isn't the same team that was running wild in the first few weeks of this season. Tougher games lie ahead (including divisional matchups with Kansas City and San Diego), and Fox's absence will be felt, even with experienced Jack Del Rio filling in as interim head coach."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...dseason-report
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:32 PM   #36
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Patriots are always going to be overrated. There is an oversaturation of Boston media in the national NFL media -

Ian Rapoport - NFLN - Former Patriot Beat writer
Albert Breer- NFLN - Former Patriot Beat writer
Greg Bedard- MMQB-Former Patriot Beat writer
Peter King - MMQB - Former Boston resident and Brady/Belichick Fan Boi
Rodney Harrison - Sunday Night Football - Former Patriot
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Heath Evan - NFLN - Former Patriot

For some reason they all have to prop up Brady and (by proxy) disparage Manning.

Best to not pay attention to them. Read the Fat Blog
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:34 PM   #37
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Speaking of grades, here are Legwold's detailed grades for the Broncos:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...denver-broncos
Can't disagree with it. Next 4 games are huge for staff we need to go 3-1
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:45 PM   #38
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Seriously.....is anything worth reading anymore?

Denver: B+
New England: A-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...1_a2&eref=sihp

Oh.....and Bedard's mid-season MVP is Jamaal Charles. Yeah, a guy on pace for a whopping 1,200 rushing yards is MVP......okay. This while on pace to having more carries than he's ever had.

Why bother reading ANYTHING that these so-called experts write? I search the web for anything informative, insightful, analytic......and this is what you get. So few good writers......IMO, the only one worth reading is Kirwan
The Patriots have done a remarkable job considering Amedola has been hurt and Gronk just came back

Charles IS the KC offense. Seriously, the guy could probably be a better QB than Alex Smith. Without him they might just punt on first down and I'm not even kidding.

We've scored a lot of points, yes. But have we played a complete game? Have we even played a complete half? If we ever play a complete game on O and D, we'd be seeing Oz taking snaps in the third quarter.... Probably early in the third quarter... If the D continues to progress and it seems to be doing, we'll be unstoppable.... Not too mention if we can run up 150 yards a game on the ground.... Scary
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:50 PM   #39
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All that matters is that the Broncos play their best football in January.
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All that matters is that the Broncos play their best football in January.
Yep agree

If we want #1 seed in AFC we need to roll through these next 4 games though.
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"1. The Kansas City Chiefs will win the AFC West
The Chiefs aren't undefeated solely because of a dominant defense and a soft schedule. They also happen to have the league's best karma. In their past five games alone -- including Sunday's 23-13 win over Buffalo -- they've had the luxury of playing four teams that were using backup quarterbacks. They've also watched their main AFC West rival, the Broncos, suffer through a number of setbacks, including injuries to two starting offensive linemen and the recent heart operation that could keep coach John Fox off the sideline until the playoffs.

In other words, until now, there's never been a time this season when Kansas City has seemed likely to surpass the Broncos. The Chiefs already have been the most resourceful team in the NFL. Now they're about to look like its most fortunate, especially if they can weather a second half that includes two games each against Denver and San Diego and a regular-season home finale with Indianapolis.


2. The Broncos will struggle without John Fox
The people who think the Broncos can get along just fine without Fox -- who could miss the rest of the regular season after heart surgery -- are underestimating his value to that team. Quarterback Peyton Manning might be dominating the headlines with his MVP-worthy play so far (2,919 passing yards, 29 touchdowns, 6 interceptions), but Fox has done a few things to help their cause, as well. Given the state of Denver's team in recent weeks, Fox's absence should cause more concern.

The defense ranks tied for 25th in points allowed (27.3 per game). The offense struggled with protection issues in an upset loss to Indianapolis. This isn't the same team that was running wild in the first few weeks of this season. Tougher games lie ahead (including divisional matchups with Kansas City and San Diego), and Fox's absence will be felt, even with experienced Jack Del Rio filling in as interim head coach."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...dseason-report
That elite defense couldn't give up yards fast enough to the Bills.... Lol... When Jeff Tuel, 2 rookie receivers and Cement Paws Chandler rip you in the air, you no longer get elite defense status.

I can't believe people think the Chiefs will win the Division. They cannot, I repeat cannot score points and a good team will not spot them 14 points a game consistently.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:24 PM   #42
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We get it. But still contend that is stupid to GRADE a team based on expectations. Again, read post #22.

If the dumbass of a classroom is expected to get 10 out of 10 problems wrong.......but instead gets 3 problems correct......do you give him a 30% (F) that he "performed" at.....or do you give him an A and pass him because he "exceeded" your expectations?

The beef we have is with the word "grading". If you "grade" someone....simply tell us how they've performed......ummmm, GRADE their performance.

In short, there's nothing wrong with stating how someone performed relative to expectations......but that's now how you should be "graded".

Nitpicking? Perhaps. But words mean things.....and oh yeah, the "article" still sucked.

So if each player was individually graded, what would Manning get?

An A or A+, because just look at the numbers he is putting up this season, he has met and exceeded expectations...

Or a C-, because as great as his passing and touchdown numbers are, his passes are fluttering, he is getting sacked and turning the ball over more (include fumbles) than he was with a better line...because he can't move and only runs once every 5 years. Performance.

Most of us would likely say A or somewhere close, I think, because of the way he has led this offense along with the great season he is having despite some of the turnovers.

When it comes to a job in most cases, you are graded more on your own capabilities (strengths, weaknesses)...a performance evaluation of coincidentally what is expected of you. Someone who may not be as smart or as valuable compared with another may still overachieve based on what their evaluator thinks will happen based on prior performance and expectation. Some who always does great who maybe slips for a bit, while still very valuable may not get the highest marks. The difference is school/real life.

Instead of grading individuals, the writer graded the teams based on their real life performances compared to what the writer expected. Not grading them on their record and style.
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