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Old 11-04-2013, 11:03 AM   #1
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In order of importance and obviously dependant upon what kind of market price they'd be looking for, how would you rank the priority of retaining these guys that are hitting the market next season?

I have deliberately not included Chris Harris as he is restricted and there's no way we'll let him walk.

For me it is as follows.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority
2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle
3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense
4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt
5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season
6. Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better
7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job
8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum
9. Mike Adams, aging safety
10 Caldwell, rarely sees the field

Broncos will be a lot tighter against the cap next season so in all likelyhood some of the following may be in danger of release.

Champ $10m cap hit
Dreesen $3.3m cap hit
Tamme $3.8m cap hit
Vickerson $3.5m cap hit
Kuper $5.9m cap hit ( he already reduced his salary this season, so it'll likely be him or Beadles and not both)

Your thoughts?
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:07 AM   #2
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Pretty solid list order. I disagree with Decker though. I don't think he is going to be worth the dollars he'll command. Somebody with over pay him. How much money can you throw at one position? Also, I could see some benefit in bringing more speed and athleticism to that spot.
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Yeah agree with most of this. DRC, Woodyard and maybe Decker are the only ones I would open the check book for. I would keep either Dreesen or Tamme, but not both. Vickerson can walk. Phillips is old. Unless he wants to come back for a somewhat decent offer I'd let him go. Resign Unrein because he's cheap and his wife is hot. Adams might be worth it if Nacho continues to not progress in the positive. Always good to have some veteran presence in the secondary.

The real question for me is the offensive line. Between Kuper, Walton and Beadles, I could see scenarios where we keep them all and lose them all. It will probably be some kind of mix. I would like to see Clark at RT, Franklin at G and Clady back at LT. In that scenario you could let some guys walk.
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Woodyard is #1 imo. Don't see us retaining Decker
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I like Kuper, but there is no way he's back at that salary... Big Vick is gone IMO if he keeps acting a fool...
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Solid list, though I'd put Woodyard as the #1 priority.

I've kind of come to grips w/the fact we'll probably lose Decker, as much as I hate that idea. With DT's and Von's deals needing to be re-done before they get a chance to hit free agency, I just can't see Decker getting a deal he's happy with in Denver.

I'd like to see Harris locked up longterm, as well.

I love the depth we have on this team. It's going to be very difficult to keep all of our contributors.
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I like Kuper, but there is no way he's back at that salary... Big Vick is gone IMO if he keeps acting a fool...
Kuper already restructured this season. He's not making much more than the vet minimum.

I think Champ will need to take a pay cut or be cut, unfortunately. We may be looking at his last season in the orange and blue.
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I say we tell Decker we are taping his new contract terms to a random pass this year and he only gets it if he holds onto it.
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I doubt Decker stays seeing the garbage WR play around the league. He will command more than we got IMO
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I say we tell Decker we are taping his new contract terms to a random pass this year and he only gets it if he holds onto it.
lol, I think we end up keeping decker. He's a big part of the offense and has been more consistent than DT the last few weeks
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I ABSOLUTELY LOVE CHAMP, but there is NOOO way we keep him at his high salary.
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I would also agree either Tamme or Dressen is gone
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I'm sure McClueless will talk Belicheat into offering Decker a sweet deal since he drafted him and all in 2010.

It's pretty much a given because the Pats WR corps is trash.
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I ABSOLUTELY LOVE CHAMP, but there is NOOO way we keep him at his high salary.
Ideally, we win it all this year and Champ rides off into the sunset.
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In order of importance and obviously dependant upon what kind of market price they'd be looking for, how would you rank the priority of retaining these guys that are hitting the market next season?

I have deliberately not included Chris Harris as he is restricted and there's no way we'll let him walk.

For me it is as follows.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority
2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle
3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense
4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt
5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season
6. Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better
7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job
8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum
9. Mike Adams, aging safety
10 Caldwell, rarely sees the field

Broncos will be a lot tighter against the cap next season so in all likelyhood some of the following may be in danger of release.

Champ $10m cap hit
Dreesen $3.3m cap hit
Tamme $3.8m cap hit
Vickerson $3.5m cap hit
Kuper $5.9m cap hit ( he already reduced his salary this season, so it'll likely be him or Beadles and not both)

Your thoughts?
Re your list;

1A

1B

3 tag him if can't sign him reasonably

Agree with the rest.
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Re your list;

1A

1B

3 tag him if can't sign him reasonably

Agree with the rest.
Ugh....no. With the salaries the top WRs in the league get, tagging Decker would be paying way too much for him.

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Approx Franchise Numbers for 2014

Wide Receiver | $12,644,400
Linebacker | $11,542,800
Cornerback | $13,024,800

None of our guys are worth that IMO and besides we couldn't afford it.
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I'm sure McClueless will talk Belicheat into offering Decker a sweet deal since he drafted him and all in 2010.

It's pretty much a given because the Pats WR corps is trash.
Lots of other teams also need WRs and Bellicheat is too cheap. Plus
the draw of going to play with Brady/Belli is starting to fade. NE is not a draw like it was a few years ago, and Belli is somewhat of a hard ass, just look at Welker and what happened there. Younger up and coming teams are the most likely destination ( Indy, Cinn) as well as ones like Chicago and Miami, Philadelphia.

I don't know if we let Decker walk, and the season is only HALF over. A lot can happen in the next 8 games.

For next year I think the priority has to be Woodyard, DRC, Dreesen OR Tamme ( probably Dreesen right now), then Decker. After that the O line, but health issues there abound still, then D line players, and then secondary. Unless Champ takes a major cut I think he will be gone.

Harris, DT will get big new deals.....Von may have to wait until after next year and "show me".

If Clady can't come back healthy we have major dead cap space to absorb.
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Ideally, we win it all this year and Champ rides off into the sunset.
The good thing about Champ is when he goes there's no dead money. His $10m comes completely off the books. That's money for 2 decent starters in 2014.
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Ugh....no. With the salaries the top WRs in the league get, tagging Decker would be paying way too much for him.
Probably going to be Mannings last year better to over pay for one special season that to get into a long damaging contract.
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In order of importance and obviously dependant upon what kind of market price they'd be looking for, how would you rank the priority of retaining these guys that are hitting the market next season?

I have deliberately not included Chris Harris as he is restricted and there's no way we'll let him walk.

For me it is as follows.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority
2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle
3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense
4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt
5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season
6. Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better
7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job
8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum
9. Mike Adams, aging safety
10 Caldwell, rarely sees the field

Broncos will be a lot tighter against the cap next season so in all likelyhood some of the following may be in danger of release.

Champ $10m cap hit
Dreesen $3.3m cap hit
Tamme $3.8m cap hit
Vickerson $3.5m cap hit
Kuper $5.9m cap hit ( he already reduced his salary this season, so it'll likely be him or Beadles and not both)

Your thoughts?
Unfortunately i see Champ being released. Sorry, guys. Would love for him to ride off into the sunset with a ring, so he better get one this year.
I also see Tamme and Dreesen being released. Neither are worth the coin, and DEN can simply draft another TE to compete with Greene.
As for Vickerson, thats a bit tougher. I would have liked Sly to have made huge strides, but unfortunately he hasnt which is normal for rookie DTs, however you can just never have enough of them, so i think Vick gets a new deal. Depth is a must to run this defense at DT.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority-YES AGREE
2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle-YES AGREE
3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense- YES AGREE
4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt RELEASE-NOT WORTH IT-KEEP KUPER/MOFFITT
5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season YES-AGREE
6. Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better SEE YA.
7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job- SEE YA
8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum YES AGREE
9. Mike Adams, aging safety SEE YA
10 Caldwell, rarely sees the field SEE YA
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If they need to, I'm sure they could also free up a few mil more through converting some of Manning's salary to a bonus again.
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In order of importance and obviously dependant upon what kind of market price they'd be looking for, how would you rank the priority of retaining these guys that are hitting the market next season?

I have deliberately not included Chris Harris as he is restricted and there's no way we'll let him walk.

For me it is as follows.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority
2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle
3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense
4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt
5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season
6. Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better
7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job
8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum
9. Mike Adams, aging safety
10 Caldwell, rarely sees the field

Broncos will be a lot tighter against the cap next season so in all likelyhood some of the following may be in danger of release.

Champ $10m cap hit
Dreesen $3.3m cap hit
Tamme $3.8m cap hit
Vickerson $3.5m cap hit
Kuper $5.9m cap hit ( he already reduced his salary this season, so it'll likely be him or Beadles and not both)

Your thoughts?
Good post.

Champ is not going to get paid $10million to play CB in '14, not from the Broncos, not from anyone. I think he'll have to resign a new contract worth $2-3 million with incentives.

We keep Tamme in case we can't resign Decker.
Kuper is already off the books for next year because he signed a one year deal for '13.

1. DRC with the aging Bailey he'd be my 1 priority - Yes, we can use the savings from Champs contract to sign him and another player.

2. Woodyard, leader of the defense in the middle - Yes.

3. Decker, important part of the aerial offense - Maybe. I think he's going to price himself out of our cap and I don't think he's a huge part of the offense. How many times does he draw double coverage?

4. Beadles, decent OG, but we do have Kuper and Moffitt - He's average, would prefer to have Clark inside at RG.

5. Phillips, top pass rusher this season/Ayers, decent starting DE, but we could do better. I would go with Ayers simply because he's younger and Phillips has been banged up every week this year. Jared Allen on a two year hire would be my preference over resigning Phillips.

7. Walton, plagued with injury and Ramirez is doing a decent job - He can be resigned cheap but how's his ankle?

8. Unrein (RFA) decent rotation guy but not worth more than base minimum - Depends on who we draft next year and how Malik Jackson closes out the season.

9. Mike Adams, aging safety - I would move Champ at safety.
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I say we tell Decker we are taping his new contract terms to a random pass this year and he only gets it if he holds onto it.
Eric better hope he is not covered on that random pass, no way he goes out of his way to fight for it... probably just let is hit the turf and looks for a flag...

I think Decker is probably an overpaid faux #1 on another team next year, although I would like to see him here very much.
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