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Old 11-01-2013, 12:35 PM   #101
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I thought the left was supposed to be pro choice. With Obamacare the government limits our choices to only what Sebelius says we need. So in the wisdom of big government 65 year old Nuns have to purchase insurance for maternity care and meth rehab, and erectile dysfunction. This has nothing to do with controlling healthcare costs, just another big government power grab. Keep your laws off my body...
Imagine living in NY City and paying highway taxes when you've never owned a car and used the subway your whole life? Or paying for schools when you have no children? It's despicable.

("Despicable" is one of those words that when I read it, I always picture Dan Dierdork saying it. "Dethpicable.")
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Imagine living in NY City and paying highway taxes when you've never owned a car and used the subway your whole life? Or paying for schools when you have no children? It's despicable.
Public service/property is a fundamentally different animal from socializing individual risk.
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:14 PM   #103
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Public service/property is a fundamentally different animal from socializing individual risk.
Keeping hospitals open is a public service interest. Health care costs dragging down the entire economy requires the response of the entire society, ergo "socialization."
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Keeping hospitals open is a public service interest. Health care costs dragging down the entire economy requires the response of the entire society, ergo "socialization."
If that were the case, Medicare/aid would pay just as much as private insurance.

The government milks Hospitals for every nickel, now you want to tell me they only care about what's best.
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Bottom line is Obama and his admin. lied. Millions are not going to be able to keep the plans they want as promised. Somehow Obama thinks he knows what a "good" plan is or isn't when in reality people's own insurance is none of his business. Obama wants to play God, like a true liberal, and decide what is the best insurance plan. And his defenders look like babbling idiots(yeah, I know, nothing new there) defending this complete fiasco. "Oh, it's working." What total fools. But they need this to work since government looking lost and incompetent ruins their narrative of life, so Obama's media has their cheerleading outfits on and downplaying the stupidity of the website not working and pretending the cancellation letters are just imagination and some right wing conspiracy.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:38 PM   #106
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If that were the case, Medicare/aid would pay just as much as private insurance.

The government milks Hospitals for every nickel, now you want to tell me they only care about what's best.
I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.
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I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.
I actually feel sorry for you dude.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:09 PM   #108
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Saw some serious sparks flying today at the hospital. Was there for a routine sonogram with my wife as she's pregnant. Many mothers were notified that they'd their insurance contract was dropped. The staff told each couple "You can pay $700 if you want the sonogram". One after another walked out. One guy was cussing out the staff and hammering Obamacare.

It's here. "Be careful what you wished for".
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Saw some serious sparks flying today at the hospital. Was there for a routine sonogram with my wife as she's pregnant. Many mothers were notified that they'd their insurance contract was dropped. The staff told each couple "You can pay $700 if you want the sonogram". One after another walked out. One guy was cussing out the staff and hammering Obamacare.

It's here. "Be careful what you wished for".
The Obama supporters either don't believe such stories or put the blame somewhere else. They are simply tools.
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I actually feel sorry for you dude.
Why? Because I agree with Lincoln? Thanks. I'll stay with the company I keep. You can hang with Ted Cruz.
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Why? Because I agree with Lincoln? Thanks. I'll stay with the company I keep. You can hang with Ted Cruz.
Oh this is going to be rich. Please tell us how your veiw of government fits in with Lincolns.
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Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?
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Oh this is going to be rich. Please tell us how your veiw of government fits in with Lincolns.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

You haven't read the Gettysburg Address? Why am I not surprised?
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Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?
Well originally it was suppose to be 0%.

Now white house claims 5% or 15,000,000.

So if they are claiming 5% you can bet the number is much much higher. Only time will tell.
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Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?
If you delay the employer mandate and only enforce the individual mandate, its a pretty weak pitch to say "Well, its only affecting that small individual market right?"

What you're seeing is only the tip of the iceberg. And the President's promises already ring hollow.
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"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
Socialist's lack of basic logic is laughable.


How is deliberately increasing healthcare costs to >18% of GDP, a government "of the people"?
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Socialist's lack of basic logic is laughable.


How is deliberately increasing healthcare costs to >18% of GDP, a government "of the people"?
Keep creating these bull**** associations in order to protect your dogma. It's laughable to watch the Right Winger desperation at work.
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Well originally it was suppose to be 0%.

Now white house claims 5% or 15,000,000.

So if they are claiming 5% you can bet the number is much much higher. Only time will tell.
No question. Obama made numerous speeches telling people "you can keep your insurance." There were no "buts" included in any of them. And it's not just rich people who are being hurt in this. Many people who can not afford a hike in their premiums are being affected and liked the coverage they had. It is unbelievable how Obama supporters actually think it is their business what coverage you should have and determine if the one you have had is "good enough." Funny how liberals like to proclaim they are the ones for tolerance and getting out of people's lives and protecting rights, yet they support crap like this. Hypocrites.
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I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.
Give me a break "us" really? What a crock of liberal BS.
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Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?
5% of a whole country is quite a bit.
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5% of a whole country is quite a bit.
15% uninsured is a travesty of Capitalism requiring Trillion dollar Government interventions to hopefully maybe get it down to 10%.

5% losing their insurance immediately because of that intervention is an asterisk not worth talking about.
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Are there actually 5% of people legitimately losing their health insurance or are they being automatically enrolled in a similar plan that conforms to what is required by the ACA? Because I got a notice of the latter myself. I'm not losing my insurance, but I am not going to be covered under the same plan I was initially (because it didn't conform to the new standards).
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Are there actually 5% of people legitimately losing their health insurance or are they being automatically enrolled in a similar plan that conforms to what is required by the ACA? Because I got a notice of the latter myself. I'm not losing my insurance, but I am not going to be covered under the same plan I was initially (because it didn't conform to the new standards).
I don't know about how they're able to roll you into a complaint plan. They might try, but two caveats to look out for (from what I've gathered over the last few weeks)

One, if you're anywhere near subsidy eligible, you shouldn't purchase insurance directly from the company. It has to go through the exchange (which doesn't work) or you can't receive the federal subsidy.

Two, the health networks are potentially much more restrictive than many people are used to. And there's not a lot of good information yet on which providers plans will cover. If you're the kind of person who has a near-intimate relationship with a provider, you'll probably want to do the leg work to make sure whatever they're moving you to (or that you pick on your own) covers the providers you want to see.
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