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Old 10-25-2013, 11:52 AM   #176
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Best part of this whole thing. Actually, only good part of it.

We also got Atlas to post twice in a few week span. That is progress!
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:25 PM   #177
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I appreciate that people have ideas, but I have to say that I'm surprised that there are people who think that I should publicly disclose the financials of this place. That would be insane. I can't imagine anyone I know doing such a thing.

I have squirrelled enough away to cover the server fees for the rest of the season, and am examining options. My first option is to clean as much of the content as possible and give Google's algorithms another run at the site. They've been a good partner for this site, all things considered. They pay regularly on a predictable schedule, and it's typically been enough to either break even (in the Summer) or cover the nut under a few inches of snow (in the winter).

If Google's algorithms don't let us back into the compound, there are other servicers that I've got lined up. But as I said before, the concern is that we run into the same problem with whatever servicer the site goes with.

As far as it goes, though, Google is enforcing a rule that we've always had, but were more lax on than their big data algorithms are. We've always had rules against the silly waves of "boob mojo" and what not. Before, I tried to redirect that energy into the Horses Butt forum. And even then people complained.

For my part, I don't believe that a sexy avatar here or there is going to be a big deal once we get past the initial issue. But we'll still have to actually enforce the rules against picture such as Melissa Midwest. Which is a shame, to be sure, but if this site can't absorb the loss of Melissa Midwest... well... I don't believe that's the case.

This site is about building community around one thing and one thing only: The Denver Broncos. Everything else is secondary to that main cause. Unfortunately, to do that I have to keep my eye on the incoming and the outgoing. Running a popular forum isn't free.

I understand that there are people here who think that a pay or donation model would work fine. And they might be right for the short term, but I've learned that model only goes so far. It can't be planned on. It's not steady in the same way that I can look at a google analytic projection and plan things like software upgrades, or paying a geek to help out with server optimizations.

That said, I appreciate that there are people who want to give back. There's a thread which details how they can do that: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=9094 - It's not required. I've never been comfortable with it, mostly because at my heart I'm a kid from Idaho potato country who has self sufficiency in my DNA. The thought of people out in this economy taking money out of their wallets to help me keep a server up strikes me funny. Though, I have to say, every time that it happens, I feel an amazing sense of gratitude that people enjoy the efforts here enough to kick in.

Again, I really don't see this as changing all that much outside of a few side amusements. I mean, who didn't like seeing Melissa Midwest every other day? But this site has always endeavored to operate in a NSFW capacity to accommodate people who are surfing the place from work - which constitutes the strong majority of our traffic. Ratcheting up the enforcement of a rule that we've always had in place but sometimes didn't have the fortitude to enforce is kind of a bummer, for sure. But it beats not having a reliable income stream. I'm just trying to keep this thing going so that we have have a site tomorrow, next year, and ten years from now.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:01 PM   #178
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I honestly had no idea that the happy birthday girl was a porn star and that her name was Melissa Midwest.

I'm more conservative than most I would say, and I actually think overly strict rules of "no girls pics" probably isn't a great way to go. I am not for porn or objectification of women, but I don't believe going nuclear on all girl pictures makes a whole lot of sense for a football board. Just my thoughts.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:01 PM   #179
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I'm still very much confused by the need some people seem to have to post half-naked women all over this place in some threads, or to include anything similar in their avatar.

Do those people still have swimsuit magazine posters hanging above their beds?
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:12 PM   #180
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I honestly had no idea that the happy birthday girl was a porn star and that her name was Melissa Midwest.

I'm more conservative than most I would say, and I actually think overly strict rules of "no girls pics" probably isn't a great way to go. I am not for porn or objectification of women, but I don't believe going nuclear on all girl pictures makes a whole lot of sense for a football board. Just my thoughts.
I would agree. I think I probably over corrected. Our server fees aren't trivial, especially in this economy, and as the tone of the thread title shows, after having two appeals denied, I probably overreacted.

At this point, however, I just want to give a good effort in giving an appeal one last push. I don't think it is things like avatars and cheerleaders that the algorithms are catching. It's more like the risque stuff like images of a porn star two pictures before she loses all her clothes, and other such questionable images. The stuff we want to filter out anyway.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:15 PM   #181
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I honestly had no idea that the happy birthday girl was a porn star and that her name was Melissa Midwest.

I'm more conservative than most I would say, and I actually think overly strict rules of "no girls pics" probably isn't a great way to go. I am not for porn or objectification of women, but I don't believe going nuclear on all girl pictures makes a whole lot of sense for a football board. Just my thoughts.
The problem is that Google will not tell you what is being violated and where. They are notorious for shutting people down and not telling them the exact offense. They say it is part of their secret sauce and can't give that away. It's BS, they just can and do wield their mighty sword.

So TJ has to be strict so that he can get back to the revenue only Google can bring.

I also find it funny that people are demanding TJ show his financials. He isn't a non-profit. He also doesn't charge anyone to come here. So why in the hell are people demanding revenue streams reports.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:07 AM   #182
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I think the people that wanted to see what it costs to run the place wanted to try and help and wanted to contribute to keep a community they enjoy and have been involved in for a long time as free as possible from corporate bull****.

It's clear that Google kicks in enough cash around here to call the shots. Nothing wrong with making a profit, that's what our country is all about. Google pays the bills and then some. Google is the Mane's sugar daddy and that's the way it is.

A lot of people are making this all about wondering why people are upset about not being able to post pics of semi-nude girls....and they are missing the greater overall point.

The overall point is that many posters oppose this corporate bull**** infringing their rules on a community they have been involved in for a long time. They don't like someone coming in and setting the rules for them....someone whose never participated in one thread on this board. The Orange Mane is simply a small site amongst their thousands and thousands of larger or smaller sites to them....a line amongst thousands of other lines.

So sorry if some people seem upset and want to try and maintain some say in a community that they have spent countless hours in over the years.

It's not about not getting to post pics of chicks, which sucks, but it's sucks more knowing whose calling the shots around here. I liked it more when I thought Taco and some mods were calling the shots, as they were members of the community. Not some Google bull**** laden blanket rules.

**** it, I'm probably just overreacting as I don't like to see **** like this happen and have rules enforced by some lame corporation....there's just something about it that stinks that I don't like and it sticks in my craw.

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Old 10-26-2013, 03:33 AM   #183
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Na, I am pretty much only upset about not seeing semi naked hotties. Without my avy I find I am less motivated to post.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:57 AM   #184
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So sorry if some people seem upset and want to try and maintain some say in a community that they have spent countless hours in over the years.

It's not about not getting to post pics of chicks, which sucks, but it's sucks more knowing whose calling the shots around here. I liked it more when I thought Taco and some mods were calling the shots, as they were members of the community. Not some Google bull**** laden blanket rules.

**** it, I'm probably just overreacting as I don't like to see **** like this happen and have rules enforced by some lame corporation....there's just something about it that stinks that I don't like and it sticks in my craw.
Google isn't dictating what we can and cannot have here, dude. They're dictating what we can and cannot have here if we want to receive money from them. I'm supremely anti-bigasscorporation, but it seems to me like you're indeed overreacting. They're not setting the rules, they're setting their terms.

I don't understand any of the resistance to this, honestly. It's so black-and-white. You'd turn down dependable, constant revenue simply for the ability to post a bunch of pictures that might be titillating to a twelve-year old boy?

Google: "You can have our money, but we're not going to give it to you if there are a bunch of what we have deemed to be indecent photographs on the board."
You: "You're not the boss of us! We can do what we want! Those cheesy half-naked women are essential to our community and our ability to have an enjoyable message board about sports and other topics!"

I don't get it.
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Old 10-26-2013, 12:24 PM   #185
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I'm still very much confused by the need some people seem to have to post half-naked women all over this place in some threads, or to include anything similar in their avatar.

Do those people still have swimsuit magazine posters hanging above their beds?
No just Farrah Fawcett. I'm only 52 after all.
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Old 10-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #186
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I honestly had no idea that the happy birthday girl was a porn star and that her name was Melissa Midwest.
This surprises no one.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:39 PM   #187
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Google isn't dictating what we can and cannot have here, dude. They're dictating what we can and cannot have here if we want to receive money from them. I'm supremely anti-bigasscorporation, but it seems to me like you're indeed overreacting. They're not setting the rules, they're setting their terms.

I don't understand any of the resistance to this, honestly. It's so black-and-white. You'd turn down dependable, constant revenue simply for the ability to post a bunch of pictures that might be titillating to a twelve-year old boy?

Google: "You can have our money, but we're not going to give it to you if there are a bunch of what we have deemed to be indecent photographs on the board."
You: "You're not the boss of us! We can do what we want! Those cheesy half-naked women are essential to our community and our ability to have an enjoyable message board about sports and other topics!"

I don't get it.
Same thoughts I had.

Don't see how this can possibly be a big deal at all.
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:07 PM   #188
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I like hot chicks.

I stop and look at said hot chicks in avatars, and posts.

I READ the Omane because I like to waste time.

When I'm not sitting in my underwear and drinking beer, I'll send TJ a little money. Or maybe I'll make a beer and dedicate it to the Omane, donate a portion of the proceeds.
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:10 PM   #189
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I like hot chicks.

I stop and look at said hot chicks in avatars, and posts.

I READ the Omane because I like to waste time.

When I'm not sitting in my underwear and drinking beer, I'll send TJ a little money. Or maybe I'll make a beer and dedicate it to the Omane, donate a portion of the proceeds.
Wait, you make and sell beer? As a hobby, small business, or for a larger company.

Details, might want to pick your brain!
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:32 PM   #190
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So...I cant have Archer in his "got dick?" tshirt anymore?

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE!

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Old 10-27-2013, 06:30 AM   #191
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Wait, you make and sell beer? As a hobby, small business, or for a larger company.

Details, might want to pick your brain!
If I recall correctly, BFDD (who also can't help himself from being a great guy) runs his own small business for it.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:52 AM   #192
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Most fund raisers usually have a target. How does a community know if it's pulling it's weight via donations if there is no goal? I think that's what people are saying. I think this is the reason why the donation model hasn't worked all that well here in the past but just an opinion and I really don't know. If google clicks is where the party is at so be it. Nobody was suggesting TJ lay out his tax returns!

Like anything else in life people value something more when they have skin in the game but maybe that doesn't apply to messageboards and it sounds like TJ isn't comfortable going that route.

If there are other options beyond google all the better. I really don't give a rats ass about the girlie pics so much as the principal of a huge internet giant pushing around what was once a kinda wild community that had watermocks, that had a little edge, that WASN'T like most official team message boards.

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Again: there is no huge internet giant pushing this board around.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:11 AM   #194
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Will this one work? It is a girl but not lewd.
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no good she is naked.... I can tell.
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Will this one work? It is a girl but not lewd.
Your opinion of lewdness is immaterial.

It's what Google thinks that REALLY matters.
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I NEED SEXY PHOTOS OF WOMEN TO EXPRESS MYSELF!
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Most fund raisers usually have a target. How does a community know if it's pulling it's weight via donations if there is no goal? I think that's what people are saying. I think this is the reason why the donation model hasn't worked all that well here in the past but just an opinion and I really don't know. If google clicks is where the party is at so be it. Nobody was suggesting TJ lay out his tax returns!

Like anything else in life people value something more when they have skin in the game but maybe that doesn't apply to messageboards and it sounds like TJ isn't comfortable going that route.

If there are other options beyond google all the better. I really don't give a rats ass about the girlie pics so much as the principal of a huge internet giant pushing around what was once a kinda wild community that had watermocks, that had a little edge, that WASN'T like most official team message boards.
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I appreciate that people have ideas, but I have to say that I'm surprised that there are people who think that I should publicly disclose the financials of this place. That would be insane. I can't imagine anyone I know doing such a thing.
Speaking for myself, I had no interest in knowing the financials of this website. Other people were throwing out ideas, so I thought I'd mention the donate/membership stuff, because I know it is something that has helped out other sports boards in the past.

Don't know if it would help this board out or not, because I have nothing to compare it to. Even if you threw out the financials (which I wasn't advising or asking for), I wouldn't know how that would compare to those other boards that have used that tactic
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