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View Poll Results: why has our pass D sucked?
missing Von, Champ, Ayers, and/or WW 49 73.13%
schematic difference 6 8.96%
small sample size - we aren't that bad, just got torched once 10 14.93%
dominant offense forces oppostion to throw 28 41.79%
other - describe in comment 8 11.94%
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:14 AM   #76
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Malik Jackson came out of the miller suspension
A young pass rusher
I like that much better than doom vs Shaun
Was never a big fan of doom a great teammate
A specialist but IMO
He made his Mega contract off beating TEs in the 3-4
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:16 AM   #77
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Malik Jackson came out of the miller suspension
A young pass rusher
I like that much better than doom vs Shaun
Was never a big fan of doom a great teammate
A specialist but IMO
He made his Mega contract off beating TEs in the 3-4
is this a new form of haiku? just curious.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:55 AM   #78
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Dumervil's absence means very little ... Phillips, Ayers and Malik have a combined 13.5 sacks through 6 games. Champ's absence hurts, in that he is Champ Bailey and he was playing at an All-Pro level last season.

It's Von's absence that really hurts. Not just his play, but mentally it hurt, preseason was already half over when they announced the suspension ... that was a real hit. The tendency would have to be a reliance on Manning to light it up for six weeks.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:10 AM   #79
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it immensley helps any secondary if the opposing QB is being pressured on a consistent basis. That's really what matters when turning a mediocre secondary into a good unit and a good secondary (which the Broncos have talent wise) into a great unit.
I'm talking about receivers being completely unaccounted for on many plays. What does that have to do with Von Miller? Busted coverages are busted coverages.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:12 AM   #80
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Dumervil's absence means very little ... Phillips, Ayers and Malik have a combined 13.5 sacks through 6 games. Champ's absence hurts, in that he is Champ Bailey and he was playing at an All-Pro level last season.
Said this before, but... we get thrown on more than anyone. If you adjust for sacks per pass play, we're 6th worst in the league.

Pass rush is problem #1 with the entire defense.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #81
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Said this before, but... we get thrown on more than anyone. If you adjust for sacks per pass play, we're 6th worst in the league.

Pass rush is problem #1 with the entire defense.
Well according to some the pass rush is fine since Denver has been on pace to lead league in sacks in previous years. It doesn't matter how much time a QB has if the defense is getting sacks you know.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:28 PM   #82
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Right. That was exactly my point in the thread linked below which, for some reason, raised a lot of hackles. I wasn't trying to say anything radical or controversial, and I wasn't bashing our defense, just making a simple point which some people had a very difficult time grasping.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=112256
Wow. TonyR is really trying to get some mileage out of the Woodyard, Ayers, and Harris Jr. injuries.

Milk it for all it's worth, because you're running out of time.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:46 PM   #83
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Wow. TonyR is really trying to get some mileage out of the Woodyard, Ayers, and Harris Jr. injuries.

Milk it for all it's worth, because you're running out of time.
I'm milking it? You're a confused individual.
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I'm milking it? You're a confused individual.
You keep bringing it up in every thread, and posting links to how you thought the Broncos were giving up too much "yards" before they played the Eagles.

Two top 5 Offensive opponents, and several injuries later...and you figure you've found something to hang your hat on.

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Old 10-18-2013, 12:58 PM   #85
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You keep bringing it up...
If you'd like to discuss something specific I've said that is incorrect I'd be happy to do so. You're clearly very angry about something because you follow me around making failing, confused efforts to attack me. You seem like a smart person who knows his football but you're letting emotion and bias cloud your judgement on this whole thing. You're convoluting this whole argument.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:59 PM   #86
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I'm talking about receivers being completely unaccounted for on many plays. What does that have to do with Von Miller? Busted coverages are busted coverages.
point taken but I guess what I'm saying is a good pass rush covers up poor secondary problems much of the time because the QB doesn't have time to find that wide open WR, even though he's like, right there. In other words the opposing QB makes his first read and if it's not there, he has no time to see his second or third read which may be wide open.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:16 PM   #87
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You're clearly very angry about something because you follow me around
Go read post #56. Did I say anything to you or about any of your posts? No I did not.

1. pricejj (going about his happy way) posts his opinion in an orangemane thread
2. tonyr (attacks pricejj's post and demands a response)
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:18 PM   #88
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Go read post #56.
That's fair. But I had to call you on your BS.
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Said this before, but... we get thrown on more than anyone. If you adjust for sacks per pass play, we're 6th worst in the league.

Pass rush is problem #1 with the entire defense.
Hmm...if we could only get an elite, transcendent pass rusher on our team this week. **** that would be awesome ... dare to dream!
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That's fair. But I had to call you on your BS.
Don't worry, you're gonna learn come Sunday!
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Don't worry, you're gonna learn come Sunday!
So, you think I'm going to "learn" something if the Broncos defense plays better Sunday with Von, Woodyard, and Ayers back on the field? That would somehow be educational to me?!?
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So, you think I'm going to "learn" something if the Broncos defense plays better Sunday with Von, Woodyard, and Ayers back on the field? That would somehow be educational to me?!?
Wait a minute. Weren't you just complaining about how bad they were WITH Woodyard, Ayers, and Harris?
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For sake of posterity, some current pass D stats are below. It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement Von Miller makes.

yards/attempt: 8.5, 30th
completion %: 60.6, 14th
TD%: 4.4%, 16th
int%: 3.6, 10th
sack%: 6.3%, 21th
QB rating: 87.8, 17th

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For sake of posterity, some current pass D stats are below. It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement Von Miller makes.

yards/attempt: 8.5, 30th
completion %: 60.6, 14th
TD%: 4.4%, 16th
int%: 3.6, 23rd
sack%: 6.3%, 11th
QB rating: 87.8, 17th
The yards per attempt are what really bother me. Otherwise I could live with those numbers considering how much teams are forced to air it out against us.
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For sake of posterity, some current pass D stats are below. It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement Von Miller makes.

yards/attempt: 8.5, 30th
completion %: 60.6, 14th
TD%: 4.4%, 16th
int%: 3.6, 23rd
sack%: 6.3%, 11th
QB rating: 87.8, 17th
vs Indy:
yards/attempt: 6.00
completion %: 55.3%
TD%: 7.8%
int%: 0
sack: 5.3%
QB rating: 99.5

Y/A is quite a bit better, completion % is better. Too many TD's, no ints, sack rate was a little worse, QB rating is worse.

The pass D doesn't appear to be much better vs Indy, if it is at all.
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vs Indy:
yards/attempt: 6.00
completion %: 55.3%
TD%: 7.8%
int%: 0
sack: 5.3%
QB rating: 99.5

Y/A is quite a bit better, completion % is better. Too many TD's, no ints, sack rate was a little worse, QB rating is worse.

The pass D doesn't appear to be much better vs Indy, if it is at all.
Well they did face the best qb yet.
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For sake of posterity, some current pass D stats are below. It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement Von Miller makes.

yards/attempt: 8.5, 30th
completion %: 60.6, 14th
TD%: 4.4%, 16th
int%: 3.6, 23rd
sack%: 6.3%, 11th
QB rating: 87.8, 17th
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but there's no way 6.3% is 11th in sack %.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but there's no way 6.3% is 11th in sack %.
damn, it, you are right. Sorted the wrong way on a few. Should be 21st. Updating stats above.
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Old 10-28-2013, 05:33 AM   #99
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For sake of posterity, some current pass D stats are below. It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement Von Miller makes.

yards/attempt: 8.5, 30th
completion %: 60.6, 14th
TD%: 4.4%, 16th
int%: 3.6, 10th
sack%: 6.3%, 21th
QB rating: 87.8, 17th
After two games with Von (rankings are where these stats would be if sustained over the whole season):

yards/attempt: 5.3, 1st
completion %: 53.2%, 1st
TD%: 5.2%, 25th
int%: 5.2%, 1st
sack%: 6.5%, 22nd
QB rating: 64.2, 1st

small sample sizes here so tough to make definitive calls, but so far, it seems:
* significant improvement in y/a, completion %, interception rate, and QB rating.
* no significant improvement in TD % (due to Luck tossing 3 against us)
* no significant improvement in sack rate, which is a little surprising.
* worth noting: 1st implies "better than Kansas City". Just putting it out there - when this D plays to it's potential, it may actually be better than KC.
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I was really happy with the DL's push yesterday. Finally started forcing a QB into some terrible decisions.

Exciting to say the least.
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