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![]() "The word Redskin was taught to me at a very young age, and this is the meaning it has for me.
"I am a Native American. I grew up on an Indian reservation. As a child, the United States Government and the Catholic Church came into our homes, took us away from our families, and forced us into Catholic boarding schools. There was no choice to be had in this matter, you had to go. The Catholic Church with the blessings of the United States Government took it upon themselves to determine that we were savages, and needed to be transformed to fit into their society. "When my hair was cut short by the priests, I was called a "redskin" and a savage. When I spoke my native tongue, I was beaten and called "redskin". When I tried to follow the spiritual path of my people, I was again beaten and called a "redskin". I was told by them to turn my back on the ways of my people, or I would forever be nothing but a dirty "redskin". "The only way "redskin" was ever used towards my people and myself was in a derogatory manner. It was never, ever, used in a show of respect or kindness. It was only used to let you know that you were dirty and no good, and to this day still is. "A long time ago, a group of people who had no knowledge of these facts, and who put no thought into what "redskin" actually meant chose to use this word for their mascot. A new group of people, now being confronted about it, have somehow decided it is their decision to change the meaning of this word to fit their purposes and agendas, but again have put no thought into its true meaning or what this word means to Native Americans." -- Clem Ironwing, Sioux http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/articles/redskin.htm |
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I'm sure there are a few Irish people that resent being represented by a drunk scrappy leprechaun too. Ok, none that I know, but they've gotta be out there. ![]() |
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#154 |
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![]() I can't wait to hear more white male's opinions on what should and shouldn't be offensive.
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#155 |
Rumblin' Bumblin'
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#157 | |
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But seriously I think the Redskin fanbase should decide. Have the folks who are so offended by the name make their case to the fans and if they don't turn the tide of opinion in their favor the name stays. |
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92...-redskins-name This was NOT Native Americans that were polled. |
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The OM's #1 Draft Pick
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I'm gay for the Broncos!
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![]() Keep the name but let indians open up a sportsbook at the stadium.
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Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla!
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![]() The Washington franchise is failing to recognize an extraordinary marketing opportunity. Selling all new gear to all of your fanbase is not a small amount of money. Why don't they see this?
How about the Obstructionists? With a caricature of a fat senator with a cigar? |
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#164 |
"Whoa Nellie"
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"Because they make up a very small proportion of the total population, the responses of 768 people who said they were Indians or Native Americans were collected over a very long period of polling, from October 7, 2003 through September 20, 2004". So its a poll from people you SAID they were native American and only 768 at that. the whole article from the first link is just plain lie after lie. My wife has heard the slur called to her quite a few times. Its pretty simple really. Just because you haven't heard it doesnt mean it isn't a slur. |
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![]() There are really two questions here:
Is the name Redskins a racial slur and do you think the name Redskins should be changed? The answer to the first is yes, I’m a Native American and I can tell you if anyone wants to walk up and call me a Redskin they will be missing some teeth. As to the answer to the second question, I really don’t care if they change it or not. I played football and one of our rival teams was the Savages and I never gave it a second thought. So I got your poll right here in my BVD’s, the name Redskins is a racial slur plain and simple so STFU. |
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The answer to second question should be yes, but it depends from a business point of view. They could care less about offending the small % of Native Americans that have always been offended. As the % has grown to include other minorities and sympathetic whites, it becomes a marketing decision between tradition and not turning off new fans. The government shouldn't get involved though. They never outlawed blackface. It just lost popularity. Native American mascots may be just as ridiculous in 60 years. |
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![]() /Khan comes in. Sees thread has turned racist. Sees thread is in WRP forum.
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