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Old 10-10-2013, 04:14 PM   #576
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upon further review,there will be no deal on debt ceiling. the rethugs in the house is not putting a clean bill up for a vote and even if the house passed it,it would not get through the senate.
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upon further review,there will be no deal on debt ceiling. the rethugs in the house is not putting a clean bill up for a vote and even if the house passed it,it would not get through the senate.
No, it's a done deal. I know what you're talking about, but the people that matter have given the white flag for it. Just a little more look at my penis bs, but the deal is there.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:21 PM   #580
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Why? Is there a law that says that Singaporeans must save for medical expenses?

Are there price controls?
1. What do you think is better, forcing to pay a penalty (that you will never see again) without receiving any services? Or be forced to save 6% of your paycheck (that can be used for retirement)? It's like an HSA/401k.


2. There are ONLY price controls in the heavily regulated hospital sector, not in the largely unregulated free-market private practice sector.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:31 PM   #581
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Never said 'ENTIRELY', you did! Once again you're being a dishonest wanker.
Again, your post (below) is not accurate:
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80% of primary care is private, but again, the government mandates the cost of treatment.
Government DOES NOT mandate the cost of treatment in the free-market private practice sector.




Also, your post about private and public 'competing' against each other, is factually dishonest. That's like saying Medicare is 'competing' with private insurance for business (which does not happen). Your article's choice of wording is inaccurate.
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No, it's a done deal. I know what you're talking about, but the people that matter have given the white flag for it. Just a little more look at my penis bs, but the deal is there.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/...gress-job.html

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The problem is that what Boehner is proposing is not a clean bill. According to the Wall Street Journal, the GOP proposal would, “permanently ban the Treasury Department from using extraordinary measures to avoid default, congressional aides said. The provision would ban practices, used by Democratic and Republican administrations for decades, which have effectively allowed the Treasury to limit investments in pensions and other funds when the government bumps up against its borrowing limit. These steps have extended the time that Treasury can continue borrowing and paying the nation’s bills while Congress debates terms for raising the debt ceiling.”
The fact that Boehner’s proposal isn’t clean, and would further handcuff Democrats, means that it is unlikely to pass the Senate as is. If Republicans add this provision to the debt ceiling extension, we could see a replay of the government shutdown follies, where the House adds language and the Senate strips it out over and over again.
that isn't going to get past the senate.
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Yes to both. Mandates, like the ones that closed down the US government.
Big difference between throwing money in a trash can (Obamacare penalty and insurance premium) vs. putting your money into a savings account.

One increases costs dramatically (Obamacare). The other decreases costs dramatically (Singapore).

I wouldn't expect a Socialist (like you) to be able to figure that out.
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that isn't going to get past the senate.
If the provision is stripped out, there is no reason to increase the debt ceiling right now.

Otherwise the Treasury Secretary would just use "extraordinary measures" to keep borrowing money for the next 6 months (like he has for the last 6 months).

The U.S. Federal government was up against the debt ceiling in May. If the Senate votes this down, it is very obvious they don't have the best interests of the American people in mind (as if that wasn't obvious already).

1. The Treasury Secretary was never meant to have that much control
2. Entitlement reforms ARE necessary immediately, whether you like it or not.
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Again, your post (below) is not accurate:


Government DOES NOT mandate the cost of treatment in the free-market private practice sector.




Also, your post about private and public 'competing' against each other, is factually dishonest. That's like saying Medicare is 'competing' with private insurance for business (which does not happen). Your article's choice of wording is inaccurate.
According to you, every article I post is inaccurate, yet you post no other articles to refute them. Just your opinion...over and over.

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Big difference between throwing money in a trash can (Obamacare penalty and insurance premium) vs. putting your money into a savings account.

One increases costs dramatically (Obamacare). The other decreases costs dramatically (Singapore).

I wouldn't expect a Socialist (like you) to be able to figure that out.
Are you really so obtuse? You keep calling me a 'socialist' explain why?
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If the provision is stripped out, there is no reason to increase the debt ceiling right now.

Otherwise the Treasury Secretary would just use "extraordinary measures" to keep borrowing money for the next 6 months (like he has for the last 6 months).

The U.S. Federal government was up against the debt ceiling in May. If the Senate votes this down, it is very obvious they don't have the best interests of the American people in mind (as if that wasn't obvious already).

1. The Treasury Secretary was never meant to have that much control
2. Entitlement reforms ARE necessary immediately, whether you like it or not.
ss and medicare are not entitlements and if wasn't for the treasurys ability to do what it is doing now we would be in another depression.
the senate isn't going to play along with this game of extortion that the rethugs are playing in the house. rethugs have made their bed and they're going to sleep in it. they own this shutdown and will own the default if it comes to that. fortunately as of now I don't think the rethugs have the balls nor are they collectively that stupid to default on our debts,and seriously doubt the latter.

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Wall St. Journal poll: 24% approval rating.

"The GOP took a big hit over the shutdown. Americans blame Republicans over Obama for the shutdown by a 53-31 margin. Seventy percent said that Republicans were placing politics ahead of the country's best interest. Fifty-one percent said that Obama is putting his agenda above the country."

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According to you, every article I post is inaccurate, yet you post no other articles to refute them. Just your opinion...over and over.
Ready to say that costs aren't mandated in the largely unregulated free-market private practice sector yet? Hope so, because I'm ready to move on.

I've said all along that the hospital sector was heavily regulated.

That's what makes Singapore the best of both worlds:
1. Heavy regulation in the publicly financed sector to limit taxpayer liability
2. Free-market competition in the private practice sector to ensure quality of care and reduce costs.

Add in a fee-for-service structure, with individual HSA's (people are less likely to spend their own money), and you have the world's most efficient, cheapest, and best healthcare system.

The US can easily begin to implement the necessary reforms tomorrow if Obama and the Democrats would relinquish their idea of absolute control over the healthcare industry (which has proven not to be sustainabile).
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Are you really so obtuse? You keep calling me a 'socialist' explain why?
You promote unsustainable Socialist programs like Western European single-payer, correct?
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ss and medicare are not entitlements and if wasn't for the treasurys ability to do what it is doing now we would be in another depression.
the senate isn't going to play along with this game of extortion that the rethugs are playing in the house. rethugs have made their bed and they're going to sleep in it. they own this shutdown and will own the default if it comes to that. fortunately as of now I don't think the rethugs have the balls nor are they collectively that stupid to default on our debts,and seriously doubt the latter.
Whatever you call them, both programs are unsustainable, and are in major need of reform.

1. Medicare can easily be reformed to give block-grant funding up to deductible (if necessary), and premium support for the elderly poor. If properly reformed, all Medicare recipients could be placed into the private insurance exchanges almost immediately.

2. SS can easily be reformed and made sustainable by increasing the payroll tax deduction by 1% (from 6.2% to 7.2%). However, I also believe that SS should be converted into individual retirement accounts where people can have the ability to invest in a limited amount of investment vehicles (i.e. Treasuries etc.).

3. Medicaid can be handled at a later date (1. increase fee-per-service to elimate healthcare over-utilization 2. means testing to remove wealthy recipients from the program)
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Ready to say that costs aren't mandated in the largely unregulated free-market private practice sector yet? Hope so, because I'm ready to move on.

I've said all along that the hospital sector was heavily regulated.

That's what makes Singapore the best of both worlds:
1. Heavy regulation in the publicly financed sector to limit taxpayer liability
2. Free-market competition in the private practice sector to ensure quality of care and reduce costs.

Add in a fee-for-service structure, with individual HSA's (people are less likely to spend their own money), and you have the world's most efficient, cheapest, and best healthcare system.

The US can easily begin to implement the necessary reforms tomorrow if Obama and the Democrats would relinquish their idea of absolute control over the healthcare industry
(which has proven not to be sustainabile).
And replace it with a heavily regulated, and/or state owned system?? Seriously??
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Whatever you call them, both programs are unsustainable, and are in major need of reform.

1. Medicare can easily be reformed to give block-grant funding up to deductible (if necessary), and premium support for the elderly poor. If properly reformed, all Medicare recipients could be placed into the private insurance exchanges almost immediately.

2. SS can easily be reformed and made sustainable by increasing the payroll tax deduction by 1% (from 6.2% to 7.2%). However, I also believe that SS should be converted into individual retirement accounts where people can have the ability to invest in a limited amount of investment vehicles (i.e. Treasuries etc.).

3. Medicaid can be handled at a later date (1. increase fee-per-service to elimate healthcare over-utilization 2. means testing to remove wealthy recipients from the program)
SS &medicare are not changing, get over it.
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You promote unsustainable Socialist programs like Western European single-payer, correct?
Do I?
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that isn't going to get past the senate.
Yes, I understand that. The WH would veto that. Boehner has been given the green light from Heritage and such to remove that. That deal has been made.
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Yes, I understand that. The WH would veto that. Boehner has been given the green light from Heritage and such to remove that. That deal has been made.
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Rep Lee Polls Drop Back Home

Cruz's Pal in trouble in Teabagger Utah


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The senator who spearheaded the "I Hate Health Care" campaign has seen his popularity sink at home.

A little more than half of Utahns — 51 percent — have an unfavorable opinion of Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT).

Only 40 percent said they have a favorable opinion of Lee, down from 50 percent in June.

Utah Republicans have even cooled on Lee. In June, 71 percent liked him, that's now down to 57 percent.

Lee was dismissive of the poll numbers.
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Congrats TeaTards! Now you can say you've accomplished something.

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And replace it with a heavily regulated, and/or state owned system?? Seriously??
No, not replace. Both U.S. and Singapore are 4-payer systems. You would be surprised how similar both systems are.

Simply reform the current system with the several cost-cutting measures that I have laid out in previous posts.
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SS &medicare are not changing, get over it.
You don't think SS and Medicare need reformed? Wow.
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