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Old 10-10-2013, 08:53 AM   #51
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I never said anything about von miller lol

and 750+ million dollars says I'm right on this one. and most legal people and doctors believe the NFL got off extremely light.
so why would the NFLPA accept it?
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:00 AM   #52
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Since it doesn't appear like many folks watched. Here is the link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/


I really do think folks should watch it. It strongly looks like NFL went out of its way to discourage the idea that concession were critical health risk. Especial at the youth and high school level.

All I will say is that if I had a boy, I would most likely steer him to another competitive sport over football.
I agree that concessions can lead to health risks...and it does start at an early age

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Old 10-10-2013, 09:25 AM   #53
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I don't give a damn about the players and their health problems. 99% of them were given free college educations, nice jobs by boosters, nice cars by boosters, fantastic salaries in the NFL.

Nobody forced them to play, they can walk away anytime. If a player thinks he shouldn't play, he should say "I'm sitting out", or find another profession.

Everybody on the entire planet has known for 1000 years that repeated blows to the head are not good for a person. Each NFL player is personally responsible for his brain condition, not the team's, not the League. Same goes for every other part of his anatomy.
Except that the league has been lying about the effects ("what? No! Of course not!") and muddying the names of doctors and scientists who were actually doing the research into CTE. Since about 1994.

As for your 99% figure, that's beyond moronic.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:52 AM   #54
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Yes, exactly! How dare those stupid 9/10 year old kids not realise that when their coaches tell them to block, tackle, and hit, they should instead be making better and more mature decisions that will benefit their long term mental health.

Don't these kids/teenagers realise it's their own damn fault?
Funny you mention that. People are blaming the NFL for this, but people neglect mention that there is long term dmage done before any of these guys even get tot he NFL. Further to your comment and generally speaking is: life is about decisions and whether you are very young or very old, your decisions matter and impact your life and its longevity.

So in your example were these kids and their parents forced to play tackle football?

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Old 10-10-2013, 02:52 PM   #55
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I am posting because I thought it was good story and nice counterpoint to the frontline story, though I don't agree with the writer completely


Late last fall, as the NFL playoff picture began to take shape, I was summoned to the psychiatric ward of my hospital. As an HIV specialist, I routinely encounter patients with mental health issues who have trouble taking their medications, but when I read the page requesting my consultation, I noticed something unusual. The name of the patient I was asked to examine was a famous one. In the interest of patient privacy I will just mention that the uncommon name matched that of someone who is considered one of the greatest of his generation to play his position in the NFL. He is not publicly known to have HIV.
When I entered the patient's room, I found an enormous man in a rumpled mess on the floor. He was barefoot, wearing blue hospital scrubs, and he hadn't shaved in several days. He weighed perhaps 300 pounds and looked exhausted, but I could still recognize the man I watched during his NFL playing days. When I sat down on one of the two narrow hospital beds in his room, he flinched and turned away from me.
"I'm Dr. McCarthy," I said softly. "Your medical team asked me to come by to talk with you. Do you have a few minutes?"


We sat in silence—a brief silence that physicians eventually become comfortable with—before the man began to speak. He told me that 24 hours earlier, he had tried to kill himself. He'd made a string of bad business investments; his interpersonal relationships were crumbling; and he was having trouble with his memory. Like many in the ward, he said he couldn't see a reason to continue living this way, and as a result he had stopped taking all of his medications. He also told me he knew he had "that head trauma thing." Because he had not mentioned his days in the NFL, I did not either. But I knew what he was referring to.


"CTE?" I asked. He nodded, and when I saw the look on his face—the fear, the despair—I knew I needed to choose my words carefully.


This season, puddles of ink will be spilled linking head trauma to chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, explaining how cognitive and behavioral changes continue to occur in current and former NFL players, destroying their once remarkable lives and the lives of those around them. You will see these stories on the front pages of the most prominent newspapers and magazines in the country, written by sportswriters who, frankly, don't understand the science and have long overstated what is actually known about the condition.


Despite what you've read, the cause-and-effect relationship between head trauma and CTE is far from scientifically verified. The direct and seemingly obvious connection tends to be taken for granted by journalists, but it hasn't been established at the highest level of evidence.



http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-h...sis-1443101890
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #56
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Here's what you gotta know to understand why the NFL has gone to great lengths to cover this up:

- The NFL has covered up the long-term dangers of concussions and put joke committees together to destroy the reputations of outsider scientists who were previously making progress on the relationship between concussions and CTE (more on that below)

- Yes, the NFLPA was barely mentioned in the documentary, but they, too, hold as much blame as the NFL by not taking more action (but they aren't entirely motivated to do so either - more on that later)

- A "concussion" is defined as being something that is measurable by a given set of symptoms. Incremental damage may still occur without any visible symptoms in what have been referred to as mini-concussions - and may occur dozens of times per game

- The settlement with players makes them go away and further delays scientific conclusions that may very well link even mini-concussions to the onset of CTE

- Despite safety measures, there just may be no way to play the game of football and avoid some degree of "concussion"

- The last thing the NFL wants to do is to hand out a pamphlet to their players saying, "Playing football has been linked to brain trauma and long-term effects that may make living life in the future very difficult." Why? That will make the news.

- The NFL is a business and as a business is ultimately responsible in part for providing motivation to parents to put their children in youth football - which might not otherwise exist given further scientific studies of its dangers

- The NFLPA doesn't exist without the NFL

- Were mothers and fathers to understand that the NFL openly admits these dangers, some % of these parents will no longer allow their children to play

- Youth football leagues diminish/disappear, the population of players is reduced, the game becomes less competitive, revenues decline

- If there is NOTHING that can be done to mitigate the onset of CTE in some % of players, FEAR to participate is enough to destroy the game of football (as we know it) ... forever

Perhaps like many of you, I received several concussions in football starting in high school (that I can vividly recall). My kids won't be playing because, as a parent, I already know enough.
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Ex-NFL player confirmed as 1st case of CTE in living patient'

CNN)Researchers published, what they say is the first case of a living person identified with the degenerative brain disease, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE.

While unnamed in the study, lead author Dr. Bennet Omalu confirmed to CNN that the subject of the case was former NFL player, Fred McNeill -- who died in 2015.

Omalu is credited with first discovering CTE in professional football players. The only way to definitively diagnose the disease is with a brain exam after death.

The discovery was first made in 2012 using an experimental brain scan that can trace a signature protein of CTE called tau. The case study was published in the journal Neurosurgery this week.
'It looked like just depression'

Omalu first presented these findings exclusively to CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta in 2016. McNeill's wife, Tia, and his two sons, Gavin and Fred Jr., told Gupta then, that they saw Fred transform from a fun loving family man at the center of their lives into a man who was dealing with symptoms of memory loss, anger and depression that tore their family apart.

...While the experimental technology has been used on at least a dozen other former NFL players including Pro Football Hall of Famer, Dallas Cowboy Tony Dorsett, McNeill is the first case to have the test results confirmed with an autopsy.complete article with video
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Omalu first presented these findings exclusively to CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta in 2016.

So the doctor's first impulse about potentially finding a way to detect CTE while the person is still alive is to take it to CNN first. Not other doctors who treat patients with traumatic brain injury?


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Old 11-16-2017, 08:44 AM   #59
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I think the fact of the matter is we're not far enough away from the old school 'shake it off and get back out there' days to know what difference the newer precautions taken are really going to make.

Most players starting to experience this now were still likely playing at the high school and college level under the old way of thinking.

And if the Aaron Hernandez diagnosis established anything for me, it's that this problem doesn't likely begin in the NFL.
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Yes, exactly! How dare those stupid 9/10 year old kids not realise that when their coaches tell them to block, tackle, and hit, they should instead be making better and more mature decisions that will benefit their long term mental health.

Don't these kids/teenagers realise it's their own damn fault?
10 year olds typically have parents or legal Guardians that are responsible for their decision making. In all my years, I've never seen compulsory Pop Warner football high school football college football or professional football. Well, excluding the movie The Longest Yard and its remake.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:15 PM   #61
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By the time they make the game safe, no one will care anymore. NFL on it's way out over the next 50 years IMO. It's had it's golden era, reached its peak, held that peak for quite some time, but will now lose kids to other sports, and viewers to other sports.
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By the time they make the game safe, no one will care anymore. NFL on it's way out over the next 50 years IMO. It's had it's golden era, reached its peak, held that peak for quite some time, but will now lose kids to other sports, and viewers to other sports.
Yeah, it will lose stature maybe but will always be around.... I mean just this weekend I watched a boxing match on ESPN... I am not ****ting you. A sport when you take multiple blows to the head every single match.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:43 AM   #63
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Who would have thought that football was bad for your health.
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