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Old 10-07-2013, 11:44 PM   #51
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So much of this has to do with what give and take will happen between the team and the players. I believe it is very possible that Champ will restructure to stay part of a championship team. If so, then the equation changes a ton in evaluating his value to the team.

Same with Decker but for a different reason - he is positioning himself rather well for some big endorsement money. Is he better off playing in a big market or playing with Peyton? IDK. But he may well decide that his big money opp is not his salary.

I know I will take massive heat for this, but as much as I love Holiday, you just can't afford to pay someone that is on the field for 8 or 10 times a game at most the same way you pay someone on the field for 50 plays. I love him, he is exciting as heck, and unless he decides he wants to remain a Bronco we can't afford too much against the cap to keep him. Is he the best returner in the game? Yes. And how many TDs does he have compared to our big 4 rcvrs? How many times could we have scored anyways starting on the 20?
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Old 10-08-2013, 12:33 AM   #52
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Wesley Woodyard, Linebacker (UFA)
Chris Harris, Cornerback (RFA)
Trindon Holliday, Return Specialist (ERFA)
Duke Ihenacho, Safety (ERFA)
Zane Beadles, Offensive Guard (UFA)

These are the MUST re-signings.
I think you need to add Decker. Welker is a rental and after he is done, we are left with DT. Decker is needed.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:29 AM   #53
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I think you need to add Decker. Welker is a rental and after he is done, we are left with DT. Decker is needed.
Why do you say Welker is a rental? I think he has a better chance to resign then Decker. He is only 32 he could play another 5 years as long as he keeps his quickness.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:47 AM   #54
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Why do you say Welker is a rental? I think he has a better chance to resign then Decker. He is only 32 he could play another 5 years as long as he keeps his quickness.
As long as Manning is here Welker is here ............ they will set records that will never be broken until we go to touch or flag football.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:34 PM   #55
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Adios amigo. Ball and Hillman time, along with CJ and other backs.
So far this season all three of those guys haven't been remotely close to Moreno in on-field production in the aspects of the game they're actually good at, and you'd have to combine all of them to have someone as versatile as him (though still deficient in route running, catching, and pass pro compared to Moreno).

Is $5M in bonus money more than you'd want to pay him? Sure. But Moreno at $6.3M on a one year option is a lot less than any tag options available, and the option would be a nice bit of leverage to open negotiations on a long term deal with.

Ultimately, I'd rather moderately over-pay Moreno in 2014 than not have a similarly talented back and weaken the offense in one of the few peak Manning/DT/Welker/OJ years we have left. This team's window is closing in the very near future, Welker's contract shows the FO being aware of this. Overpaying one or two key players for a single year is a lot better than not maximizing the SB chances in those years.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:41 PM   #56
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Give him a Joe Mays deal.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:07 PM   #57
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Order of precedence:

Mike Adams, Safety (UFA)
Robert Ayers, Defensive End (UFA)
Zane Beadles, Offensive Guard (UFA)
Justin Boren, Offensive Lineman (ERFA)
Stewart Bradley, Linebacker (UFA)
Andre Caldwell, Wide Receiver (UFA)
Tony Carter, Cornerback (RFA)
Eric Decker, Wide Receiver (UFA)
Chris Harris, Cornerback (RFA)
Trindon Holliday, Return Specialist (ERFA)
Duke Ihenacho, Safety (ERFA)
Quintin Jammer, Cornerback (UFA)
Winston Justice, Offensive Tackle (UFA)
Dan Koppen, Center (UFA)
Chris Kuper, Guard (UFA)
Paris Lenon, Linebacker (UFA)
Greg Orton, Wide Receiver (ERFA)
Shaun Phillips, Defensive End (UFA)
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Cornerback (UFA)
Mitch Unrein, Defensive Tackle (RFA)
Steve Vallos, Center (UFA)
Wesley Woodyard, Linebacker (UFA)
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Imagine a couple of years ago saying that Kuper wouldn't be a priority in free agency
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:17 PM   #59
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Why do you say Welker is a rental? I think he has a better chance to resign then Decker. He is only 32 he could play another 5 years as long as he keeps his quickness.
I say he is a rental because he is signed through next season. Look at everyone who can be let go after next season. Peyton, Champ, DT, Von and Welker. If Peyton decides he's done, Welker won't be re-signed. We could very well see a youth movement after 2014 season ends.
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I say he is a rental because he is signed through next season. Look at everyone who can be let go after next season. Peyton, Champ, DT, Von and Welker. If Peyton decides he's done, Welker won't be re-signed. We could very well see a youth movement after 2014 season ends.
Yeah I see Manning at least playing two more years after this year. I am hoping. Unlike Elway I want Manning to go for the three-peat
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Peyton and Champ realize they have a chance at multiple Lombardis and each take a pay cut to retain all the guys we need.

Its called the Elwayway.
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Peyton and Champ realize they have a chance at multiple Lombardis and each take a pay cut to retain all the guys we need.

Its called the Elwayway.
Elway never took a paycut. He restructured his contract to make more space but he always got the money owed to him. Manning might restructure and accept some of his pay after he has already retired but don't look for him to do a Tom Brady and just sign at a lower price.
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Manning has been worth every penny.
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