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Old 09-13-2013, 01:46 PM   #26
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You came to Archbishop Hansen's defense when I criticized him in exactly the same way you criticized Roh back then...
That's your take, meathead.
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:47 PM   #27
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Science makes all sorts of errors when it is constructing hypotheses and moving toward establishing facts. So what?
Only dogmatists like Beavis persist in their beliefs when the facts change.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:05 PM   #28
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Only dogmatists like Beavis persist in their beliefs when the facts change.
Says the guy clinging to his decades-old hockey stick models whilst the temperature remains relatively flat.

It's funny because I could even understand, based on evidence, going from alarmed to skeptical over the last decade. But to go from skeptical (of the doomsdaying anyway) to supportive of it over that time is beyond comprehension.

Until one sees that virtually all of Wagsy's views must've gone through some kind of intellectual meatgrinder between 2004 and 2008.

Was it the Hope and the Change that did it? Or was it something else?
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:11 PM   #29
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Has everybody seen this one?

As the oceans warm up -- and they have -- fish are moving to cooler places. The newest study on the impact of climate change on global fisheries by University of British Columbia researchers documented fish moving toward the poles and to deeper waters.
In a study the journal Nature published today, the researchers used temperature preferences of fish and other marine species as a sort of "thermometer" to assess effects of climate change on the world's oceans between 1970 and 2006, according to the announcement.

http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...oler_wate.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/environm...ture.study.pdf

Oh. Did I mention that for billions of people, that disappearing seafood is their only source of protein? Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:34 PM   #30
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I'd just like to know...what are your qualifications on the subject, Beavis, other than what Google can provide?

I know W*GS' qualifications, and they are substantial.

What are yours?

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Old 09-13-2013, 02:38 PM   #31
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Says the guy clinging to his decades-old hockey stick models whilst the temperature remains relatively flat.
NTSA. I've explained to you and the other denier dopes the reasons why comments like the above are ignorant of the science, but you keep making them and proving that you're an idiot on the subject.

WTF is wrong with your brain?

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It's funny because I could even understand, based on evidence, going from alarmed to skeptical over the last decade. But to go from skeptical (of the doomsdaying anyway) to supportive of it over that time is beyond comprehension.
I've never been a doomster or claimed our extinction was imminent or that the world was about to end. You're making up strawman bull****, again.

Likewise, if only one decade of one measure of anthropogenic climate change makes one change one's mind entirely, well, then such a person must be you, to be so stupid.

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Until one sees that virtually all of Wagsy's views must've gone through some kind of intellectual meatgrinder between 2004 and 2008.
My opinions change when the facts change. What do your opinions do?
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:26 PM   #32
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NTSA. I've explained to you and the other denier dopes the reasons why comments like the above are ignorant of the science, but you keep making them and proving that you're an idiot on the subject.

WTF is wrong with your brain?



I've never been a doomster or claimed our extinction was imminent or that the world was about to end. You're making up strawman bull****, again.

Likewise, if only one decade of one measure of anthropogenic climate change makes one change one's mind entirely, well, then such a person must be you, to be so stupid.



My opinions change when the facts change. What do your opinions do?
It's not a strawman, Wagsy. You're actively defending James "Venus Syndrome" Hansen in regards to exactly the kinds of things you say you don't agree with.

Once we come to some agreement on the hackery of Hansen et al, I think any of our other disagreements are fairly reconcilable.
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It's not a strawman, Wagsy. You're actively defending James "Venus Syndrome" Hansen in regards to exactly the kinds of things you say you don't agree with.
What's your obsession with Hansen? Do you think that if you take a few of his comments out of context and attempt to show that they're wrong, then there's no such thing as AGW?

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Once we come to some agreement on the hackery of Hansen et al, I think any of our other disagreements are fairly reconcilable.
Hansen isn't a hack. You're in no position to judge him.
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Hansen isn't a hack. You're in no position to judge him.
I am when he starts to dabble in politics and/or economics.
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I am when he starts to dabble in politics and/or economics.
Once again, scientists should just STFU outside of their science, right? As citizens, they lose their 1st Amendment rights.
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Once again, scientists should just STFU outside of their science, right? As citizens, they lose their 1st Amendment rights.
So non-scientists should just STFU about topics of science. But when climate scientists pontificate on economics and politics, we should bow in deference?

That seems.... inconsistent.
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So non-scientists should just STFU about topics of science. But when climate scientists pontificate on economics and politics, we should bow in deference?
If you want to discuss science, bring it. So far, I've seen nothing but parrotage of denier blogosphere BS.

Should Hansen STFU about anything other than science? Or, do his political views somehow make his science suspect? Please, go on...

PS - You do realize that you're hopelessly out of your league on this subject with me...
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If you want to discuss science, bring it. So far, I've seen nothing but parrotage of denier blogosphere BS.

Should Hansen STFU about anything other than science? Or, do his political views somehow make his science suspect? Please, go on...

PS - You do realize that you're hopelessly out of your league on this subject with me...
Wagsy, do you think Oil Company execs should be arrested and tried for high crimes against Gaia?
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Wagsy, do you think Oil Company execs should be arrested and tried for high crimes against Gaia?
PIKEW!

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I see your truuuuuuuue cooooloooooors...
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What's your educational background, poooosaaaaaaay?
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Beavis' quiver is out of arrows.
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I'd just like to know...what are your qualifications on the subject, Beavis, other than what Google can provide?

I know W*GS' qualifications, and they are substantial.

What are yours?

(Another dodge and deflect in 3...2...1...)
Oh yeah, you really know his true qualifications. "An anonymous guy posted he's an expert, so it has to be true." Good stuff. Because he posts what you want to believe, it must be true and easy to go along with an "expert" who, by the way, posts in a politics forum that is from a Broncos website, where his Broncos posts are rare if even exist and from a guy who pulled a 180 since 2009. Yes, it is so believable
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Oh yeah, you really know his true qualifications. "An anonymous guy posted he's an expert, so it has to be true." Good stuff. Because he posts what you want to believe, it must be true and easy to go along with an "expert" who, by the way, posts in a politics forum that is from a Broncos website, where his Broncos posts are rare if even exist and from a guy who pulled a 180 since 2009. Yes, it is so believable
I love seeing you make an ass of yourself.
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Oh yeah, you really know his true qualifications. "An anonymous guy posted he's an expert, so it has to be true." Good stuff. Because he posts what you want to believe, it must be true and easy to go along with an "expert" who, by the way, posts in a politics forum that is from a Broncos website, where his Broncos posts are rare if even exist and from a guy who pulled a 180 since 2009. Yes, it is so believable
Not even getting into Hough making an argument that would demand his silence in 95% of the threads he pontificates in ad infinitum.

But you're right. Nothing is better than the appeal to authority fallacy extended all the way to the anonymous.
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Not even getting into Hough making an argument that would demand his silence in 95% of the threads he pontificates in ad infinitum.

But you're right. Nothing is better than the appeal to authority fallacy extended all the way to the anonymous.


PIKEW!
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Beavis is Howard the Duck.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:06 PM   #48
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