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Old 08-26-2013, 04:17 PM   #101
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You sound like FOX News.

Where is the evidence Assad did it? There is none.

So - you would start WW III on a supposition?

Nor has it been shown that Assad was responsible for the other attacks - - assuming they actually took place, which is not certain.

The Russians claim to have intel that the missiles launched from turf owned by the rebels.
We can always trust the Russians.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #102
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We can always trust the Russians.

I thought we were all good now that Hillary gave the Russians a Reset Overcharged button.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7930047.stm
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:20 AM   #103
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I just wonder why gaffe isn't high up in Assad's government, helping Bashir counterbalance the threat from Israel.

Put your money where your mouth is, gaffe - fight for your beliefs. Go join the Syrian regime.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:46 AM   #104
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The U.S. sanctioned Iraq using chemical weapons against Iran.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3817868.html

And if they didn't "sanction" it, they sure as hell looked the other way.
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Old 08-27-2013, 08:41 AM   #105
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So we should allow use of chemical weapon on civilians to go unopposed? Taking a stand again evil act is never wrong.
You really think our government cares Syria used chemical weapons on it's own people or do you suppose it's Israel who feels threatened?

If Israel is threatened they have the right to defend themselves. Look what they did to Lebanon not long ago. Why should the US do Israel's dirty work?

Why should YOUR brother, YOUR tax dollars be spent and not Israel's? Hell we cut them billion dollar checks anyways!

Just realized Israel bombed Lebanon 4 days ago. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...319546176.html That region is one insane Holy War that I feel we should not be apart of. Let them duke it out.

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Old 08-27-2013, 08:50 AM   #106
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The Arab League need to be the 'organization' acting to remove Assad, he's in their 'hood' and killing fellow Arabs.

We are long past due in demanding that they 'police' their own, rather than looking to us to do their dirty work.
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(Reuters) - The Arab League said on Tuesday it holds Syrian President Bashar al-Assad responsible for a chemical attack near Damascus, as speculation mounted that the United States was preparing a military strike.

Diplomatic sources said the statement, issued after a meeting of Arab League delegates in Cairo, was pushed through with strong backing from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:33 AM   #107
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If obama decides to go in will the righties support him? good one huh?
I doubt it. We are "warred out". I think anything connected to 9/11 is one thing but these conflicts on top of our own issues in Afghanistan is tolling. I am actually surprised 40% support USA getting involved but I guess those are the hardcore Obama supporters and Militia type guys.

Good one, huh?
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:38 PM   #108
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The UN inspectors evidently only have a mandate to determine "IF" chemical weapons were used -- not who used them. The fix is in.

The situation is reminiscent of when Clinton ordered UN inspectors out of Iraq in 1998 on the eve of a US bombing campaign - Desert Fox. Then Saddam was blamed.

It is also reminiscent of Bush's 2003 attack on Iraq -- the war began BEFORE the inspectors had finished their work. Clearly Bush did not want to hear the results. Only later -- AFTER the war -- we learned there were no WMD.

Even so, in my 65 years I have never seen such a rush to war -- as now.

WW III here we come. MHG



Reuters: US to Strike Syria Before UN Evidence Collected

And the real meaning of "limited strikes"


By Tony Cartalucci

August 27, 2013 "Information Clearing House -
The US has accused the Syrian government of delaying UN inspectors from accessing the site of an alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus. But now, according to Reuters, the US appears to be preparing to strike Syria militarily before the UN's now ongoing investigation is concluded and evidence revealed to either support or conflict with the West's so far baseless allegations.

Reuters' article, "Syria strike due in days, West tells opposition: sources," states that:

Western powers told the Syrian opposition to expect a strike against President Bashar al-Assad's forces within days, according to sources who attended a meeting between envoys and the Syrian National Coalition in Istanbul.

"The opposition was told in clear terms that action to deter further use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime could come as early as in the next few days, and that they should still prepare for peace talks at Geneva," one of the sources who was at the meeting on Monday told Reuters.

Clearly, such a strike would render moot both the UN inspection team's investigation and any evidence they may find. While the US has accused the Syrian government of obstructing an investigation that is indeed already being carried out, the impending US attack would indefinitely end the UN's efforts. If, as the US reasons, obstructing the UN's investigation implicates guilt, then the US has just made itself the prime suspect of what is increasingly appearing to be a staged provocation to salvage a proxy war the US and its allies have all but lost.

What "Limited Strikes" Really Means

Before the US and its allies mire the world in another unprovoked military adventure at the cost of thousands, perhaps even millions of lives, the wider strategy behind what the US is calling "limited strikes" should be fully understood.


Much of the West's proxy war against Syria has been drawn from plans laid by the Brookings Institution versus Iran in a 2009 document titled, "Which Path to Persia?" The report stated:


"...it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.) "

-Brookings Institution's 2009 "Which Path to Persia?" report, pages 84-85.

Clearly those in the West intent on striking Iran (and now Syria) realize both the difficulty of obtaining a plausible justification, and the utter lack of support they have globally to carry out an attack even if they manage to find a suitable pretext. An article recently published in Slate indicates that the approval rating of a proposed assault on Syria is only 9% - making the potential war the most unpopular conflict in American history.

Brookings would continue throughout their 2009 report enumerating methods of provoking Iran, including conspiring to fund opposition groups to overthrow the Iranian government, crippling Iran's economy, and funding US State Department-listed terrorist organizations to carry deadly attacks within Iran itself.

In Syria, each and every one of these options have also been tried, and have subsequently failed. It was revealed as far back as 2007 that the US was planning on arming and funding terrorists to overthrow the government of Syria, as reported by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker article "The Redirection: Is the Administration's new policy benefiting our enemies in the war on terrorism?"

Starting in 2011, it has become increasing clear that the so-called "freedom fighters" in Syria are in fact terrorists drawn directly from the ranks of Al Qaeda, armed, funded, and otherwise supported by NATO just as was described in Hersh's 2007 report.

Despite these overt acts of war, and even considering an option to unilaterally conduct limited airstrikes against Iranian and now Syrian targets, Brookings indicated there was still the strong possibility Iran (and now Syria) would not allow itself to be sufficiently provoked:

"It would not be inevitable that Iran would lash out violently in response to an American air campaign, but no American president should blithely assume that it would not."
The report continues:

"However, because many Iranian leaders would likely be looking to emerge from the fighting in as advantageous a strategic position as possible, and because they would likely calculate that playing the victim would be their best route to that goal, they might well refrain from such retaliatory missile attacks."

-Brookings Institution's 2009 "Which Path to Persia?" report, page 95.

Already, both Turkey's current government and its regional partner Israel have attacked Syria on numerous occasions with Syria each time exhibiting infinite restraint.

It is then revealed that the term "limited strikes" is a euphemism for "attempted provocations" to intentionally initiate a wider conflict. While the Brookings document refers to Iran, it is clear that if the West is to topple the Syrian government now with its proxy forces already spent, it will have to do so itself with a military campaign exceeding the currently planned "limited strikes." Additionally, realizing there is virtually no support for a war with either Syria or Iran, special interests across the West are attempting to tangle the world in this lethal conflict by disingenuously proposing, at first, something relatively benign they believe they can get away with even without popular support.

Western special interests hope that a Syrian response and the death of American and/or Israeli troops - perhaps the sinking of a US ship or the loss of multiple US aircraft - will turn the 9% approval rating for their premeditated assault on Syria into an overwhelming baying for blood across the West's populations. Failing to elicit a response from Syria, this may be accomplished with false flag attacks, as was the case in the Gulf of Tonkin incident at the onset of the Vietnam War.

Understanding that the intentional endangerment and death of US troops and their allied counterparts is part of initiating an otherwise impossible wider war, inoculates much of an already war-weary Western population from the "rally around the flag" effect Western special interests are depending on to re-energize their failed Middle East adventure.

This article was originally published at Land Destroyer
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:40 PM   #109
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The coming attack on Syria is really just the prelude to war with Iran -- and possibly Russia and China.

The question is why now?

The only answer that comes to mind is that the gov't knows we are on the brink of another economic meltdown. This makes perfect sense. They will distract us from their failed economic policies with another war.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:06 PM   #110
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The coming attack on Syria is really just the prelude to war with Iran -- and possibly Russia and China.
You forgot "possibly" North Korea, Zimbabwe, Paraguay, Luxembourg, Canada, and the Vatican.
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