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Old 08-26-2013, 11:42 AM   #201
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Apparently you missed fwf's earlier posts. Not that he needs me to defend him, but your accusation of Drama Queen towards NorCal is greatly misplaced. Txtebow and fwf are two more worthy candidates, don't you think?
yeah I must have missed his posts or at least did not read them...lol... Sometimes I don't even read the thread.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:11 PM   #202
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And Teflon Elway gets no blame for this? Even Moreno's mother knows the guy won't hold up for a full season. So well be left with Unproven and Fumble to lead us to the Meadowlands. I see Peyton getting wacked along the way.
Why was it such a terrible idea John to have 4 Rbs on the roster and pay a guy like Shonn Green the 1.6 million the Titans are paying him?
Because he actually did his homework on him, apparently unlike you:

Shonn Greene:

Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2009 (Rookie Year)
NYJ

14 108 540 5.0 33 2 24 3 3

2012
NYJ

16 276 1,063 3.9 36 8 52 3 1


Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

No Receiving Stats in Rookie Season(2009)

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16 19 31 151 7.9 30 0 3 1 0



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Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 85 330 3.9 31 1 19 2 1

Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 10 12 62 6.2 29 0 3 0 0


To summarize for you:

While in Greene's rookie year, he had a better average per carry, he lost a fumble every 36 carries. Hillman lost 1 fumble in 85 carries.
Last season, Greene learned to hold on the ball better, fumbling 3 times, and losing only 1 in 276 carries. Hillman deserves that benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise in regular season games.

However, Greene's rookie year is the only year he averaged 5 yds per carry as last year he regressed to 3.9 yds per carry. It appears Greene is way beyond his peak, while Hillman has just began his career as one of the youngest players in the NFL.

Also, Greene is nowhere near the receiver that Hillman is, as he had no receiving stats in his rookie year. In 2012 Greene was targeted 31 times as a receiver, but caught only 19 and losing a fumble! Hillman, on the other hand in limited duty, was targeted 12 times, catching 10 with no fumbles. Which RB do you think Peyton would want as a receiver?

So you ask, why didn't Elway sign a regressing stone-hands RB in Greene for $1.6 million? Because he already had a RB on the roster that is no worse a runner at this point in their careers, but a much better receiver that has way more upside in his young career, and he is paying him only $515,000. That's why.

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Old 08-26-2013, 12:23 PM   #203
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Consider he held the ball at risk out in front of him to break the goal line knowing all he had to do was get the ball across the goal line to score which he did do but the call was missed. He did what you want him to do on the goal line, score a TD. Not his fault the call was missed.
Yeah I see what you mean, I would rather him just worry about holding onto the ball no matter the situation just as good practice. By itself that play isn't as big a deal, combine it with the rest and it is.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:26 PM   #204
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #205
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What will be funny is come regular the same people crying about Elway's RB decisions will be the same people crying that Gase is running the ball too much.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #206
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Yeah I see what you mean, I would rather him just worry about holding onto the ball no matter the situation just as good practice. By itself that play isn't as big a deal, combine it with the rest and it is.
Was there another besides the late whistle strip?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:49 PM   #207
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Was there another besides the late whistle strip?
Hillman fumbled 2x in the Seattle game and 1x vs StL
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:52 PM   #208
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Lol at Hillman carrying a ball everywhere. The sphere of shame.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:53 PM   #209
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Was there another besides the late whistle strip?
He had 2 against Seattle.

So that makes 2 out of 3 that resulted in immediate scores for the other team. Granted, the goal line one likely should have never happened but holding onto the ball ensures that the 6 the other direction won't happen either.

And late whistles, you play until the whistle blows whether it's BS or not. I want the kid to do well obviously, but he has to figure this out.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:53 PM   #210
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I actually think that tactic really does work. Not that this is comparable at all, but during my high school football days, I spent one off season carrying around a football everywhere (when i was home, not school). The next season my hands were 10 times better.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:01 PM   #211
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This team doesn't approach the RB position as using a feature back starter that's going to eat up 25 carries a game. There's no gore or Peterson here. It's set up to be an RB by committee where "starter" just means they in there on the first series. Split carries by 4 RBs.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:09 PM   #212
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Because he actually did his homework on him, apparently unlike you:

Shonn Greene:

Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2009 (Rookie Year)
NYJ

14 108 540 5.0 33 2 24 3 3

2012
NYJ

16 276 1,063 3.9 36 8 52 3 1


Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

No Receiving Stats in Rookie Season(2009)

2012
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16 19 31 151 7.9 30 0 3 1 0



Ronnie Hillman:

Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 85 330 3.9 31 1 19 2 1

Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 10 12 62 6.2 29 0 3 0 0


To summarize for you:

While in Greene's rookie year, he had a better average per carry, he lost a fumble every 36 carries. Hillman lost 1 fumble in 85 carries.
Last season, Greene learned to hold on the ball better, fumbling 3 times, and losing only 1 in 276 carries. Hillman deserves that benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise in regular season games.

However, Greene's rookie year is the only year he averaged 5 yds per carry as last year he regressed to 3.9 yds per carry. It appears Greene is way beyond his peak, while Hillman has just began his career as one of the youngest players in the NFL.

Also, Greene is nowhere near the receiver that Hillman is, as he had no receiving stats in his rookie year. In 2012 Greene was targeted 31 times as a receiver, but caught only 19 and losing a fumble! Hillman, on the other hand in limited duty, was targeted 12 times, catching 10 with no fumbles. Which RB do you think Peyton would want as a receiver?

So you ask, why didn't Elway sign a regressing stone-hands RB in Greene for $1.6 million? Because he already had a RB on the roster that is no worse a runner at this point in their careers, but a much better receiver that has way more upside in his young career, and he is paying him only $515,000. That's why.
Greene is done, last season with the Jets they kept giving him the ball and he kept on not gaining any yards. He has no burst at all and doesn't create anything at all on his own.
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This team doesn't approach the RB position as using a feature back starter that's going to eat up 25 carries a game. There's no gore or Peterson here. It's set up to be an RB by committee where "starter" just means they in there on the first series. Split carries by 4 RBs.
Yes. This is not Dan Reeves team of running Sammy Winder on 1st & 2nd down, and then let Elway get the 1st down. Heck, even Shanny's SB teams were way more dependent on the RB, than this team ever will be.
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Greene is done, last season with the Jets they kept giving him the ball and he kept on not gaining any yards. He has no burst at all and doesn't create anything at all on his own.
His stats appear to bear this out. In only his 5th year, his regression sure came swiftly. As I mentioned in the earlier post, his rookie year is the only year he averaged 5 yds a carry. After that, he never got over 4.2.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:58 PM   #215
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ack to Ronnie Hillman. I've tried to pour over each of his carries to find him being careless with the ball and I just don't see it. On both the fumbles he's lost, you can chalk it up to bad luck. On the first the ball is popped out by a helmet hit, on the 2nd his forward progress had been stopped. Now I'm not saying it doesn't bother me, but I've backed off of it a little bit. Hillman is the guy who is more capable of stretching the defense from sideline to sideline. He consistently gains positive chunks off tackle and is the only back on our roster that has proven that against the ones.

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Looks like I'm not the only one with some rationality... unlike some others on this forum whom are worse than women high on their hormones.

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Old 08-26-2013, 02:59 PM   #216
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Lol at Hillman carrying a ball everywhere. The sphere of shame.
Demaryius did the same thing.

**** happens.
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ack to Ronnie Hillman. I've tried to pour over each of his carries to find him being careless with the ball and I just don't see it. On both the fumbles he's lost, you can chalk it up to bad luck. On the first the ball is popped out by a helmet hit, on the 2nd his forward progress had been stopped. Now I'm not saying it doesn't bother me, but I've backed off of it a little bit. Hillman is the guy who is more capable of stretching the defense from sideline to sideline. He consistently gains positive chunks off tackle and is the only back on our roster that has proven that against the ones.

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Looks like I'm not the only one overreacting like a woman high on hormones.

He wasn't struck by lightning and didn't piss off Warwick Davis - he had the ball taken away from him. John Fox shoving a rabbits foot up his pooper isn't going to solve his problem.
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He wasn't struck by lightning or piss off Warwick Davis - he had the ball taken away from him. John Fox shoving a rabbits foot up his pooper isn't going to solve his problem.
And that **** HAPPENS, your star RBs have had more careless **** happen than that. Most RBs who get stood up in the league with a LB getting a full rip like Ogletree will lose the ball.

I swear, it's like most of you people are unaware of how football is played by the rest of the NFL.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:10 PM   #219
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I swear, it's like most of you people are unaware of how football is played by the rest of the NFL.

I'm sorry - I didn't realize I was talking to Tom Landry's ghost. Would you take your rage meter down to 11 if I told you you had a nice hat?
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:35 PM   #220
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Because he actually did his homework on him, apparently unlike you:

Shonn Greene:

Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2009 (Rookie Year)
NYJ

14 108 540 5.0 33 2 24 3 3

2012
NYJ

16 276 1,063 3.9 36 8 52 3 1


Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

No Receiving Stats in Rookie Season(2009)

2012
NYJ

16 19 31 151 7.9 30 0 3 1 0



Ronnie Hillman:

Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 85 330 3.9 31 1 19 2 1

Receiving Stats
SEASON TEAM GP REC TGTS YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST

2012
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14 10 12 62 6.2 29 0 3 0 0


To summarize for you:

While in Greene's rookie year, he had a better average per carry, he lost a fumble every 36 carries. Hillman lost 1 fumble in 85 carries.
Last season, Greene learned to hold on the ball better, fumbling 3 times, and losing only 1 in 276 carries. Hillman deserves that benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise in regular season games.

However, Greene's rookie year is the only year he averaged 5 yds per carry as last year he regressed to 3.9 yds per carry. It appears Greene is way beyond his peak, while Hillman has just began his career as one of the youngest players in the NFL.

Also, Greene is nowhere near the receiver that Hillman is, as he had no receiving stats in his rookie year. In 2012 Greene was targeted 31 times as a receiver, but caught only 19 and losing a fumble! Hillman, on the other hand in limited duty, was targeted 12 times, catching 10 with no fumbles. Which RB do you think Peyton would want as a receiver?

So you ask, why didn't Elway sign a regressing stone-hands RB in Greene for $1.6 million? Because he already had a RB on the roster that is no worse a runner at this point in their careers, but a much better receiver that has way more upside in his young career, and he is paying him only $515,000. That's why.

These stats mean nothing to me. Two totally deifferent offenses and Hillman got to play with Peyton ****ing Manning. Look who Greene got to line up behind. WTF ever with your receiving stats.. Sorry, but I would rather have a veteran back who'll hit the hole hard and not go down so easily. Think about it, how many Hillman type/ scat back RB's make? I gave Hillman one more shot when I heard he put on 15 lbs. And after 3 preseason games Ive seen enough. Nothing has changed. Guy is a dud. Like the dud firecrackers, you reach for another one as soon as you realize it.
And your money argument is a dud too. Its 1 Million extra that our cap and Pat could both easily afford. Like its your money, you dummy.
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3 preseason games and 3 fumbles...... Just resign McGahee and play Ball and Moreno. I've ****ing seen enough....further 2 of his fumbles led directly to 2 TDs. He's not an NFL player...
For Real? Ppl are freaking out. Can't wait until we are 6-0 when Von comes back and still registers 15 plus sacks.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:27 PM   #222
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Cut Hillman. Dudes already 21 and in his 2nd year...if he doesn't get it now, he never will. The Broncos need to get younger at the position anyways.
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Has one person said Denver should cut him? Drama Queen. He ain't ready to start though.

Besides Txtebow and well, his name says it all.
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I understand sarcasm is harder to detect on the net, but its not that damn hard....
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For Real? Ppl are freaking out. Can't wait until we are 6-0 when Von comes back and still registers 15 plus sacks.
I will bet you a million internet dollars that neither of these things happens
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Demaryius did the same thing.

**** happens.
Exactly.....

Thomas has fumbled the damn ball without even being touched....and yet we got clowns on here b****ing about a 2nd year RB who's had the ball knocked out of his hands when he lunged for an apparent TD, and had it ripped out of his hands by a LB after his forward progress was apparently stopped.

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Old 08-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #225
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Broncos running game becoming clearer?

by Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer


Broncos rookie rusher Montee Ball took first-team reps on Monday, a sign that the coaches are going to give him a chance to earn the starting job. That's after second-year back Ronnie Hillman fumbled the ball away for the second time this preseason, right near the goal line against the Rams last week.
Through 25 carries Ball has 80 yards and a score with 26 yards on three catches and no fumbles. Hillman has 22 carries for 77 yards, three catches for 15 yards and three fumbles (two lost) with no scores.

RONNIE HILLMAN IS A PEDESTRIAN RUNNING BACK AND FUMBLER.

THANK GOODNESS!

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