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Old 08-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #26
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Just because Fox and the rabid Right keep squealing that Obama is a liberal socialist doesn't make him one. I'm sure most twenty-somethings see through the bull****.
Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:51 PM   #27
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Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.
Things are turning around in the Midwest, at least. There are a lot of people hiring in several of the towns I've lived in and kept contacts in over the last few years. Down south things have slowly been improving for quite awhile.

Nothing will compare to several years ago, when I went 1/250 on resumes nationwide.

Hang in there, like that stupid cat.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:57 PM   #28
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Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.
Worst times I've seen in my life. Hope we all make it.
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Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.
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Yeah. I am back up in North Dakota. I live in the downtown metro area so Minnesota is just a stones throw away. This area isn't like the rest of the state, but it has a lot of liberal qualities due to several schools being in the area. There are definitely conservatives here, but the number of youth who are is astoundingly low. When I was with the governmental and collegiate affairs commission with the NDSA/SG -- I had the opportunity to see the grassroots efforts from both sides of the spectrum. Regardless of where I went, "libs" had more boots on the ground than the other guys, especially East of the Missouri.

I had done some work for the College Republicans and state party re: graphic design and publication development for the first time Obama ran. I had done a district of analysis of Ron Paul and helped spearhead the efforts to get him to speak at my Uni because I thought it would be interesting. Hardly any youth showed up. Very few college Republicans, maybe twenty of their several hundred. At Dem events without major figures, way more people showed up.

All and all -- It was worth the coin. I was paid well for my efforts. Was surprised to see what I did.

The truth of the matter is this: liberalism isn't being abandoned. In many ways my peers are looking for stronger reforms than what Congress and our spineless leaders have put into place. Some have reverted to apathy all together. I would venture to say most my peers do not give a **** one way or the other nationally. They realize grassroot efforts locally make more of a difference.

Hobo can keep firing blanks though. He is used to it.
Is this the winning you guys keep referring too?
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:25 PM   #32
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Is this the winning you guys keep referring too?
It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.
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Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.

Don't be surprised. If they aren't booting out people who command higher salaries in favor of rookies, they're bringing in cheaper foreign labor or outright outsourcing. The level of loyalty and decency in the common business climate is rock bottom. All this loud clamor about "celebrate diversity" is garbage; it's about bringing in lesser-paid workers ripe for exploitation and them not wanting society to object.

If you want to read about how hard life was in your grandfather's time, check out a book called The Worst Hard Time about the Dust Bowl. It would blow your mind. The latter half of the book, especially.
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After we go on a date and I get to at least second base. Then you can show me the book.
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Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.
Don't feel that way....it sucks to come face to face with where we're at. Just remember that mercantilism defeated feudalism.

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Just real talk, hobo.
Maybe time to think about retooling ..........trade in that liberal arts diploma in for a CDL license, Spider is crapping in tall cotton in SD, maybe you could be his swamper and get a little on the job training.

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It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.
But the REAL idiots are the one's who adopt the extreme 'utopian' views like Marxism.
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It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.
"Utopian concepts"?



Liberal ideals are no more "utopian" in their scope than wanting to lower taxes yet still pay for the things we need to exist as a nation, or believing relieving the tax burden on the wealthy will make their money "trickle down" to the lower classes, or deregulating commerce and believing the free market system will magically sort it out for you.
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Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.
I wouldn't mind some kind of national healthcare service for Americans but the problem is with our porous borders, we simply cannot shoulder it. We're already heavily burdened with being Mexico's welfare tit as it is.
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"Utopian concepts"?



Liberal ideals are no more "utopian" in their scope than wanting to lower taxes yet still pay for the things we need to exist as a nation, or believing relieving the tax burden on the wealthy will make their money "trickle down" to the lower classes, or deregulating commerce and believing the free market system will magically sort it out for you.
Except I didn't say those things were utopian ideals. "Tricke down" isn't a valid economic theory or economic policy; it's a political slur with no foundation in reality.
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After we go on a date and I get to at least second base. Then you can show me the book.
Okay it's a deal.
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Except I didn't say those things were utopian ideals. "Tricke down" isn't a valid economic theory or economic policy; it's a political slur with no foundation in reality.
sure.

Pick one point and argue semantics. Look at you! Who's the winner? Dramallama is! Dramallama wins!



All three are ideological, perfect world arguments with no basis in the real world that simply either don't work, as in the case of the conservative economic policies under Reagan (and others), or are based on ideals that cannot be replicated in practice, as in the case of the other two.

Yes. Conservative utopian concepts.
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Pick one point and argue semantics. Look at you! Who's the winner? Dramallama is! Dramallama wins!



All three are ideological, perfect world arguments with no basis in the real world that simply either don't work, as in the case of the conservative economic policies under Reagan (and others), or are based on ideals that cannot be replicated in practice, as in the case of the other two.

Yes. Conservative utopian concepts.
It's not a matter of semantics in the least. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Thomas Sowell's Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich
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It's not a matter of semantics in the least. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Thomas Sowell's Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich
Yawn. Care to address anything else I posted?

Can you?
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"Facts" like Obama = liberalism?

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Spot on. I've had this happen to me more times than I can count. Probably 100 or so on this forum alone.
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Yawn. Care to address anything else I posted?

Can you?
Your entire post is based on fallacious economic myths. There's nothing to address. Are you expecting me to dismantle your strawman step by step? I think posting a small booklet which shows the mythology behind the false "trickle down" concept and what the real economic theory is is more than adequate.
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Count me among the apathetic.

I've turned to the George Carlin school of politics.
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lib·er·al·ism (lbr--lzm, lbr-)
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1. The state or quality of being liberal.
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a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.


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