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Old 08-22-2013, 10:09 AM   #26
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Shoot first, ask questions later. Progressivism in a nutshell. Glad you own it like a man.
Isn't shooting first what the gun crazies do?
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:13 AM   #27
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You mean shooting first like poo-pooing a discussion on climate change before asking questions like "what is the difference between climate and weather?"

Yeah, I really asked that. Have you ever heard the old saying, you need to learn to walk before you can run?
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:15 AM   #28
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Isn't shooting first what the gun crazies do?
Some crazies shoot bullets. Others, Trillion Dollar Wads.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:25 AM   #29
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Yeah, I really asked that. Have you ever heard the old saying, you need to learn to walk before you can run?
Kinda my point. If you had asked what the difference was, you wouldn't have shot off epically dumb blanket statements about weather while thinking you're talking about climate.

And yes you need to crawl before you run. I would recommend you crawl over to the local grade school, pick up a science textbook, and run back over here to continue the discussion.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:32 AM   #30
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Kinda my point. If you had asked what the difference was, you wouldn't have shot off epically dumb blanket statements about weather while thinking you're talking about climate.

And yes you need to crawl before you run. I would recommend you crawl over to the local grade school, pick up a science textbook, and run back over here to continue the discussion.
Looks like I should bring some friends.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...texas/2451409/
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:38 AM   #31
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Looks like I should bring some friends.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...texas/2451409/
Looks like someone read the headline and not the article.

Shoot first.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:52 AM   #32
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The issue shouldn't be how we need to cut back on food stamps. It should be how do we get people off of food stamps.
Raise the minimum wage and people will get off of food stamps. You can work full time at Wal-mart or McDonalds and still be in the poverty range. That is just stupid.

By that argument more people should already be off.

It's all about motivation. If I can feel content on government assistance, why would I ever go out and change my life?

There is no silver bullet solution here, but there needs to be an incentive to not have people habitually use this stuff. First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:56 AM   #33
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Looks like someone read the headline and not the article.

Shoot first.
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Other climate scientists, acknowledging the role of these weather patterns and natural variability, say climate change exacerbated the 2012 drought partly by helping to keep the jet stream north.
Global Warmins controls the Jet Stream!
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:58 AM   #34
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Global Warmins controls the Jet Stream!
Thanks for revealing your ignorance.
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First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
Write your Congressman.

It's a perfectly reasonable and logical argument that "food" stamps should be used for "food".

I wouldn't even be opposed to restricting which types of "food" can be purchased, or even making a "food stamp specific" category of foods that are produced through government and/or other subsidies especially intended for consumption for lower income people.

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I also believe certain places (like gas stations) are not allowed to accept food stamps at all unless they carry things like fresh fruit and vegetables ("fresh" is obviously used loosely in this context). Naturally people walk right by that and head for the Monster energy drinks. If that's the case, that needs to stop, as well, although I suppose reclassifying "food" would change a lot of that anyhow.
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Thanks for revealing your ignorance.
Wow.

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:38 AM   #37
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need to raise the minimum wage
Fixing the labor market at higher costs does two things. It makes the selling cost of products and services go up, and it creates more nominal income for consumers. Naturally, the free market side will try to re-balance with higher prices and a higher cost of living. The only way to stop this is with price controls. Might as well fix the entire market instead of keeping one side free. Then the confused people couldn't blame the negative outcomes on a free market that doesn't exist.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:45 AM   #38
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Fixing the labor market at higher costs does two things. It makes the selling cost of products and services go up, and it creates more nominal income for consumers. Naturally, the free market side will try to re-balance with higher prices and a higher cost of living. The only way to stop this is with price controls. Might as well fix the entire market instead of keeping one side free. Then the confused people couldn't blame the negative outcomes on a free market that doesn't exist.
Like it exists now?
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Write your Congressman.

It's a perfectly reasonable and logical argument that "food" stamps should be used for "food".

I wouldn't even be opposed to restricting which types of "food" can be purchased, or even making a "food stamp specific" category of foods that are produced through government and/or other subsidies especially intended for consumption for lower income people.

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I also believe certain places (like gas stations) are not allowed to accept food stamps at all unless they carry things like fresh fruit and vegetables ("fresh" is obviously used loosely in this context). Naturally people walk right by that and head for the Monster energy drinks. If that's the case, that needs to stop, as well, although I suppose reclassifying "food" would change a lot of that anyhow.
At Walmart, for example, you can purcahse just about anything with EBT. It used to be exactly as we're describing.
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Fixing the labor market at higher costs does two things. It makes the selling cost of products and services go up, and it creates more nominal income for consumers. Naturally, the free market side will try to re-balance with higher prices and a higher cost of living. The only way to stop this is with price controls. Might as well fix the entire market instead of keeping one side free. Then the confused people couldn't blame the negative outcomes on a free market that doesn't exist.
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Past research on how business costs rise with minimum wage hikes indicates that a 10-percent minimum wage hike can be expected to produce a cost increase for the average business of less than one-tenth of one percent of their sales revenue. This cost figure includes three components. First, mandated raises: the raises employers must give their workers to meet the new wage floor. Second, “ripple-effect” raises: the raises employers give some workers to put their pay rates a bit above the new minimum in order to preserve the same wage hierarchy before and after minimum wage hike. And third, the higher payroll taxes employers must pay on their now-larger wage bill. If the average businesses wanted to completely cover the cost increase from a 10-percent minimum wage hike through higher prices, they would need to raise their prices by less than 0.1 percent.[1] A price increase of this size amounts to marking up a $100 price tag to $100.10...

This basic conclusion is supported by a 2008 study that reviewed the economic studies on the impact of minimum wage hikes on prices and inflation.[3] The estimates from these studies cover a relatively wide range, suggesting that a 10-percent increase in the minimum causes overall prices to rise somewhere between 0.2 percent and 2.16 percent, with most estimates falling below 0.4 percent. These estimates are larger, but in the range of how much businesses’ costs increase as discussed above. Even the higher estimate of a 0.4 percent rise in price level with a 10 percent minimum wage hike suggests that a typical COLA adjustment to the minimum wage rate would only push up the price level by 0.1 percent.[4] Recall that this amounts to adding just one dime to a $100 price tag.
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Thanks for revealing your ignorance.
Yeah. "The Jetstream's all fudged up cuz'a Global Warmins" even while global temperatures are flat for a decade.

I'd love to see the AGW scientologist's argument on that one.
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By that argument more people should already be off.

It's all about motivation. If I can feel content on government assistance, why would I ever go out and change my life?

There is no silver bullet solution here, but there needs to be an incentive to not have people habitually use this stuff. First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
The primary incentive is the availability of work. The crux of the issue is twofold: 1. tens of millions of jobs have gone offshore and 2. Investors are not investing. They are either holding onto their cash -- or engaging in wild speculation. America, indeed, the world has become a casino.

At the root of thee problems is the void of leadership in our nation. That's a top down problem.

Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to effect a change at the ballot box. We are stuck as a nation, terminally dysfunctional. None of the safety valves for change work anymore.

So things must continue to get worse. Sooner or later, the shyte will really hit the fan. MHG
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40% of all workers today make less than what people made in 1960.
That means ALL minimum wage workers fall in the other 60% because all minimum wage workers make more now than what minimum wage workers made in 1960. This just proves the point that raising the minimum wage lowers average pay for the more experienced employees. It also increases unemployment and underemployment.

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Raise the minimum wage to $10.50 an hour and you would start to see that change.
How did you arrive at that figure? That's ridiculously high. It's $4 higher than average and $2 higher than the all-time high. You would see unemployment and average pay change for the worse.

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Question: Since all America can produce now is the lowest paying jobs in retail sales, who do they expect to do all the consuming that keeps this economy afloat in the foreseeable future? You think the hit Walmart is taking isn't going to spread?

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Maybe we should just peg the minimum wage to the CPI.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:27 PM   #46
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Raise the minimum wage to $10.50 an hour and you would start to see that change.

Why only $10.50.... what kind of heartless bastard are you

With all the selfish evil employers, holding hours below the Obamacare threshold of 30 hours. $10.50 only gets you $15,000 a year (before taxes, fica, etc.) You can't buy food, shelter, cable tv for 15K. Why won't the selfish community organizers pay better http://www.humanevents.com/2013/07/2...dle-obamacare/


Why not raise min wage to $50. Why not have min hours too. Mandatory 40 hour week. How about a maximum wage too (with exceptions for gov workers / lobbyists / campaign donors)

Maybe we need a new cabinet secretary, and another bunch of bureaucrats. Ministry of Fairness?
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15.00 will be just fine.
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I used to work for a legal, business and research giant that is a global powerhouse that gets outsourced contracts from Top 25 AmLaw firms, EA Sports and other large corporations. Doing work they cannot do on a 8-5 schedule all on their own. The average project managers for those places easily pocketed 60k+ a year and benefits. I watched as some of our business partners cut off employees there and gave us more work. I felt bad. One, for those people. Two, knowing I was getting paid tens of thousands less for doing hard work.

Long story short, my old location has not given raises, or even cost of living adjustments for their employees. Rent has went up big time and so have goods. My buddy used to save a couple hundred a month and was content with his job. As the years passed, stuff skyrocketed and now he scrapes by.

I got a friend a job there before I left. He is an entry level analyst and makes ~ 13 an hour. Works hard, grades out well in performance reviews and always shows up. Management told him raises and COL are just not in the cards. I call BS because they are making money hand over fist. Multi-million dollar contracts and they do not have the balls to raise people up a quarter or fifty cents in a year?

It is ****ing horse****. A few of just many reasons I got out of Dodge and left for Colorado...

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15.00 will be just fine.
At my job interview today the company estimated that would be my wage DOE if I was offered the position. Not that it is much, but I would be stoked. I was making $11.00 at 16 years old. The ****.
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