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Old 08-21-2013, 01:45 PM   #126
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Barack Obama says that under his health care law, those who have health insurance will keep it.

"If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said.
Obamacare is going nowhere,get over it.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:56 PM   #127
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Obamacare is going nowhere,get over it.
I think you're missing the point, UPS can thumb their nose at Obama and there is nothing he can do about it.

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.” – Barack Obama, July 2009

Today’s ObamaCare triumph is the announcement by United Parcel Service that it will drop working spouses from its health care plan, loudly and repeatedly citing the Affordable Care Act as the reason. From Kaiser Health News:

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/08/2...15000-spouses/
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:56 PM   #128
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Obamacare is going nowhere,get over it.
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We're closer to single payer than we are getting rid of the ACA.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:10 PM   #129
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ummm.. I hope the GOP has plans to tell them young repubs that they want to defund obamacare...

Even Republican young adults want health insurance, poll finds

Obamacare may have become a partisan issue, but more Republicans than Democrats have signed up for one of its most popular provisions, according to a survey published Wednesday.


The survey also pokes holes in the idea that most 20-somethings act like “Young Invincibles” who believe they don’t need health insurance.

A team at the Commonwealth Fund, which strongly supports healthcare reform, looked at one of the main target groups of the 2010 Affordable Care Act – young adults who have been going without health insurance. One of the most popular provisions of the law lets people age 26 and younger stay on their parents’ health insurance.

“Public opinion polls found a partisan divide … but Republicans and Democrats both took advantage of the young adult provisions,” says Commonwealth vice president Sara Collins, who led the study. “In fact, more Republicans than Democrats did.”

They found that by last March, 63 percent of young adults identifying as Republicans had enrolled in a parent’s health plan in the last 12 months, compared to 45 percent of those who considered themselves Democrats. About 26 percent of the 1,800 adults surveyed said they were Republicans, 28 percent said they were Democrats and the rest either said they were independent, some other party, or did not say.
The health reform law was passed in Congress in 2009 without a single Republican vote, and Republicans have fought it ever since -- even though it contains many provisions that were originally suggested by Republicans. The Republican-led House of Representatives has voted several times to repeal the law, which has been going into effect in stages since 2010, but the Democrats who dominate the Senate prevent any further action.

The latest push is to stop the law from taking effect by taking away money to implement its main provisions.

Overall, 15 million 19-to-25-year-olds, or about half of all Americans this age, are on their parents’ health plan, the report says.

The Obama Administration is working with a batch of non-profit groups, including one called Young Invincibles, to encourage healthy young adults to sign up for health insurance.

Just this week, the Health and Human Services Department and the group launched a contest trying to encourage young adults to make videos promoting the law’s provisions.

Health experts agree that people will take better care of their health and rack up fewer expenses down the road if they have health insurance.

There’s also concern that if young, healthy adults don’t join the insurance pool, health insurance companies will have to charge everyone more to cover the smaller, sicker pool of adults who do have coverage.

But the Commonwealth survey suggests that it’s money that stops 20-somethings from signing up for health insurance, not some idea that they don’t need it.

“There is a stereotype that young adults believe they are ‘invincible’ and don’t want or need health insurance,” said Collins. “This survey shows that is a myth—a typical uninsured young adult is from a low- or middle-income family and works a low-wage job. In general, young adults value health insurance but cannot afford it.”

“Enrollment rates of working young adults in their own employer-sponsored plans average nearly 70 percent, with cost being a principal factor cited among those who do not enroll,” the report reads.

A study released Tuesday showed the health insurance for an average family is $16,000 a year; $5,800 for a single person. Most Americans get health insurance through an employer. Under the 2010 law, states and the federal government are setting up online marketplaces where people who don’t have health insurance can buy it, often with a hefty federal government subsidy.

And about half the states will expand Medicaid to cover more people, with the federal government paying almost all the bill through 2020.

The survey itself may be only partly representative of the young Americans being targeted. Online research firm Knowledge Networks GfK did two separate surveys of 19 to 29-year-olds for Commonwealth in 2011 and 2013, each time inviting about 3,500 people to answer questions. Both times, just over half did.

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In before a rightard claims the poll biased..and that they personally know a young repub that hates obamacare...
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In before a rightard claims the poll biased..and that they personally know a young repub that hates obamacare...
Sorry, but a poll that doesn't account for socioeconomic differences in this context is meaningless.
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Sorry, but a poll that doesn't account for socioeconomic differences in this context is meaningless.
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In before a rightard claims the poll biased..and that they personally know a young repub that hates obamacare...
You do know that any young adult that wants health insurance can get it at a very affordable price today? Insurance companies love young health adults, it's the young healthy adults that don't see the need for health care unless it is free. They want their mommy and daddy or federal government to give it to them for free.

Tell me which monthly bill will they pay first, their cell phone bill or their health insurance premium?
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You do know that any young adult that wants health insurance can get it at a very affordable price today? Insurance companies love young health adults, it's the young healthy adults that don't see the need for health care unless it is free. They want their mommy and daddy or federal government to give it to them for free.

Tell me which monthly bill will they pay first, their cell phone bill or their health insurance premium?
and yet they are still opting for obamacare. Unless you have a different poll that states that repubs are'nt using obamacare, your opinion holds no merit. so now ther righties can also add young republicans to their hate list?damn freeloaders
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You do know that any young adult that wants health insurance can get it at a very affordable price today? Insurance companies love young health adults, it's the young healthy adults that don't see the need for health care unless it is free. They want their mommy and daddy or federal government to give it to them for free.

Tell me which monthly bill will they pay first, their cell phone bill or their health insurance premium?
Just as I know many parents don't want their kids to worry about that while in college. Hence why they like being able to keep their children on their plan.

Also if a parent chooses to,they can tell their kid "make sure to get a second job so you can pay for your own insurance".
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Did you know most Medicare enrollees lean Republican? Does that mean Medicare is most supported by Republicans?

Of course not. We all live within the framework we're given. But that doesn't mean we think it's the best way.
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and yet they are still opting for obamacare. Unless you have a different poll that states that repubs are'nt using obamacare, your opinion holds no merit. so now ther righties can also add young republicans to their hate list?damn freeloaders
Ah, another variation of the "If You Hate Big Oil, You Can't Drive a Car" argument.
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Did you know most Medicare enrollees lean Republican? Does that mean Medicare is most supported by Republicans?

Of course not. We all live within the framework we're given. But that doesn't mean we think it's the best way.
bs. you get chills whenever the prez is succesful at anything.here repubs, most likely voting repubs, are using obamacare and now you come up with this bs that people live within the framework? are you dizzy from spinning so hard?
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obama: "water is wet"
repub: "not all water is wet!"
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bs. you get chills whenever the prez is succesful at anything.here repubs, most likely voting repubs, are using obamacare and now you come up with this bs that people live within the framework? are you dizzy from spinning so hard?
Do you feel turrible every time you stop at the corner Exxon?
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Do you feel turrible every time you stop at the corner Exxon?
Pretty idiotic attempt to draw a parallel. It's exceedingly difficult to live without using the products of big oil -- no matter your age. It's not likewise difficult for 18-26 year olds to live without medical insurance.

Mind you -- it's still a bad idea, but easily avoidable.
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We're closer to single payer than we are getting rid of the ACA.
That's the plan when Obamacare doesn't work. I'm guessing around 2015 or 2016.
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Pretty idiotic attempt to draw a parallel. It's exceedingly difficult to live without using the products of big oil -- no matter your age. It's not likewise difficult for 18-26 year olds to live without medical insurance.

Mind you -- it's still a bad idea, but easily avoidable.
It's a pretty good parallel. Saying they have a reasonable alternative in doing that which you'd otherwise call irresponsible dirtbag freeloading only cements it.

Oh, and I guess Democrats who hate insurance companies are also huge hypocrites in this whole ACA mess. Can't b**** about Insurance companies while forcing the public to buy their product, now can we?
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obama: "water is wet"
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29% of republicans in louisiana blame Obama for the response to katrina. Just piling on.
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That's not really a rational argument. It's one of those things that's true right up until the moment it isn't.

Not even getting into whether shooting yourself in the foot is "better" than doing nothing.
Oh but I think it is. Whether you like it or not, the public perception is that the republicans are saying:

"We're going to repeal Obamacare and when we do we'll replace it with... um... something. And it'll be really great! Really! You'll see! Trust us."



If you think that's going to fly with most voters you're dreaming. If the repubs have any chance at all of repeal they better tell us what they plan to replace Obamacare with -- in detail.
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It's a pretty good parallel. Saying they have a reasonable alternative in doing that which you'd otherwise call irresponsible dirtbag freeloading only cements it.
Try some reading comprehension. The issue is that :

Oil = essential and unavoidable to live life on a daily basis.

Health Insurance under parent's plan = not essential and unavoidable to live life on a daily basis. It's also not essential to complying with current law (and more expensive than any penalties associated with not having insurance).

Trying to draw a parallel between those two things and behavior associated with their use is an epic gumby attempt.
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Try some reading comprehension. The issue is that :

Oil = essential and unavoidable to live life on a daily basis.

Health Insurance under parent's plan = not essential and unavoidable to live life on a daily basis. It's also not essential to complying with current law (and more expensive than any penalties associated with not having insurance).

Trying to draw a parallel between those two things and behavior associated with their use is an epic gumby attempt.
So your argument, after years of telling us how disastrous the plight of the uninsured was, is to say uninsuredism isn't all that bad a deal.
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So your argument, after years of telling us how disastrous the plight of the uninsured was, is to say uninsuredism isn't all that bad a deal.
Wow, even when I reiterate, you fail to comprehend. Care to try again?
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