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Old 08-05-2013, 10:09 PM   #1
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The statement was released Monday by the American Geophysical Union, a more than 62,000-member-strong organization of Earth and space scientists who come from 144 countries. The non-profit traditionally renews its position statements every four years.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:35 AM   #3
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In before one of the deniers mentions Al Gore...
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:46 AM   #4
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All 62,000 are part of the left-wing plot to take away 'Merkan freedoms, dontcha know.
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:22 PM   #6
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:37 PM   #9
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U.N. panel says it's more certain that humans drive global warming

Scientists are increasingly convinced that human activity is behind the increase in global temperatures since the 1950s, which has boosted sea levels and the odds of extreme storms, according to a leaked draft of an upcoming U.N. report.

"It is extremely likely that human influence on climate caused more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010," according to a summary of the draft obtained by CNN. "There is high confidence that this has warmed the ocean, melted snow and ice, raised global mean sea level and changed some climate extremes in the second half of the 20th century."

That conclusion comes from the upcoming report of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the fifth in a series of multiyear reports seen as a benchmark on the subject. The panel's last report, in 2007, concluded that it was 90% certain that rising temperatures were due to human activity; the new draft raises that figure to 95%.

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Old 08-20-2013, 01:43 PM   #10
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So, we're done right? We can stop arguing about this?
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So, we're done right? We can stop arguing about this?
Sure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...p_ref=politics
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:18 PM   #12
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Still the best argument the deniers can't deny

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Why Climate Change Denial Is Just Hot Air

By Phil Plait
Posted Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2012, at 8:00 AM ET

I was thinking of writing a lengthy post about climate change denial being completely unscientific nonsense, but then geochemist and National Science Board member James Lawrence Powell wrote a post that is basically a slam-dunk of debunking. His premise was simple: If global warming isnít real and thereís an actual scientific debate about it, that should be reflected in the scientific journals.

He looked up how many peer-reviewed scientific papers were published in professional journals about global warming, and compared the ones supporting the idea that weíre heating up compared to those that donít. What did he find? This:


The thin red wedge.
Image credit: James Lawrence Powell



Oh my. Powell looked at 13,950 articles. Out of all those reams of scientific results, how many disputed the reality of climate change?

Twenty-four. Yup. Two dozen. Out of nearly 14,000.


Now I know some people will just say that this is due to mainstream scientists suppressing controversy and all that, but let me be succinct: Thatís bull. Science thrives on dissenting ideas, it grows and learns from them. If there is actual evidence to support an idea, it gets published. I can point out copious examples in my own field of astronomy where papers get published about all manners of against-the-mainstream thinking, some of which come to conclusions that, in my opinion, are clearly wrong.

So let this be clear: There is no scientific controversy over this. Climate change denial is purely, 100 percent made-up political and corporate-sponsored crap. When the loudest voices are fossil-fuel funded think tanks, when they donít publish in journals but instead write error-laden op-eds in partisan venues, when they have to manipulate the data to support their point, then what theyíre doing isnít science.

Itís nonsense. And worse, itís dangerous nonsense. Because theyíre fiddling with the data while the world burns.
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Still the best argument the deniers can't deny
You are aware that the climate changes with or without us. "Proving climate change" is like proving the sky is blue.
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You are aware that the climate changes with or without us. "Proving climate change" is like proving the sky is blue.
You are aware that people die with or without murder.

Therefore, it's not a problem if someone is killed by someone else.

Right?
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You are aware that people die with or without murder.

Therefore, it's not a problem if someone is killed by someone else.

Right?
This is more like seeing people die every day and assuming all of them were murdered (while cashing in on grant money to say so)
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This is more like seeing people die every day and assuming all of them were murdered (while cashing in on grant money to say so)
Please find the nonanthropogenic causes for all the changes in the climate system we're observing.
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You are aware that the climate changes with or without us. "Proving climate change" is like proving the sky is blue.
Here's a new word for you to go look up: Anthropogenic. I'm assuming you know what a dictionary is.
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Please find the nonanthropogenic causes for all the changes in the climate system we're observing.
Please. Even the hide-the-decliners can't do that.
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Please. Even the hide-the-decliners can't do that.
Hey guys, at least this is a better response than:

"ARRRRRGH CHARTS AND GRAPHS ARE DUMB"

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Hey guys, at least this is a better response than:

"ARRRRRGH CHARTS AND GRAPHS ARE DUMB"

Not sure which is worse. That or "Ooooh, Grant Money Funded Charts! We must Obey!"
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Not sure which is worse. That or "Ooooh, Grant Money Funded Charts! We must Obey!"
Yep, just like how all those liberal-funded polls were supposed to be wrong about the election.

Man, math is hard, and science is dumb.
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Yep, just like how all those liberal-funded polls were supposed to be wrong about the election.

Man, math is hard, and science is dumb.
Yes, it's only the taint of oil money that influences. I forget. Blessed government money is anti-corruption fortified.
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Please. Even the hide-the-decliners can't do that.
So, the science is wrong, but you don't have evidence for your opinion, and won't bother to learn.

STFU then.
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So, the science is wrong, but you don't have evidence for your opinion, and won't bother to learn.

STFU then.
That's cute, but another one of your tired logical fallacies.

It's not only like the weather. It is the weather.

"Science" (as you like to monolith it) can't predict Denver, Colorado's temperature two weeks from now. Too many variables. Not even counting the global ones.

Now that doesn't mean someone can't try to make that prediction. And technically, an honest effort at that prediction would still be "science" But in all likelihood that "science" will be wrong.

And any meteorologist worth a damn would tell you not to make plans against his 10-day forecast. Because it's an educated guess. (Like climate models)

Anyway, anyone who conflates "science" with "certainty" has zero clue what they're talking about.
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