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Old 08-20-2013, 03:41 PM   #151
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Von will be missed for sure....but I think the defense is still going to be pretty solid. I think coverage is going to be mush better, which will help mask the absence of our best pass rusher a bit.
I hope you're right. But I don't see how with gimpy Champ or no Champ, and neither Von nor Doom rushing the passer. And now they're desperately scrambling the LB lineup because Bradley (who sucks anyway) got hurt and nobody else was good enough to beat him out.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:03 PM   #152
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What this does is put more pressure on Shaun Phillips. He was originally going to play a part time pass rushing role. Now he's a full time player and opposite of him will be Danny Trevathan. Wesley Woodyard is moving to MLB and not just because of Stewart Bradley injury. Fox said today that move was in the works before Bradley injury. Fox quotes below.



On roster and injury updates

“We did add a new member to the club: Paris Lenon, linebacker. Most recently with Arizona, started a bunch of games. He worked out for us today, we signed him. We’re glad to add him to the linebacker crew. Otherwise, the injury report is really the same as yesterday, so unless anybody has got questions I won’t go through it all.”



On G Louis Vasquez returning to practice

“Yes, he’s back in practice.”



On if LB Wesley Woodyard is being moved to ‘Mike’ linebacker due to LB Stewart Bradley’s injury

“That was going to be a move we made regardless. Because of that (Bradley’s injury), it’s a big reason why we signed Paris Lenon, who we have high regard for. He started the last 16 games for the last three years in a row. He’s an athletic guy that we think can help us.”



On if they envision Lenon at ‘Mike’ linebacker

“We’ll find out. He doesn’t know what we’re doing yet. That evaluation will keep moving and going forward.”



On Woodyard being able to play multiple positions since he plays nearly every down

“Well, you’ve got to be flexible. At different spots he’s proven to be one of our better linebackers. [LB] Danny Trevathan will line up on the weak side, and [LB] Von [Miller] on the strong side as far as the starting group. We’ll see what that looks like this week.”



On if Trevathan looks bigger this year

“Yeah, he’s more experienced. He’s made a good leap so far, through the offseason and training camp and the preseason. So, he’s earned that opportunity.”



On the first-team offense

“We really haven’t played them that much, I think on purpose. But I thought we showed good improvement from Week One to Week Two. We anticipate having more of that improvement from Week Two to Week Three.”



On if the starters will play into the second half this weekend

“Yeah. We like getting them used to coming out after halftime. Halftime is an event in itself. So this will be the first time they have to come out and play after the halftime routine.”



On if they are sacrificing size for speed and tackling with the new linebacker lineup

“Again, guys come in all shapes and sizes. Size isn’t always as meaningful thing as how fast they play. So well take a look at Wesley in the middle, and it could end up that way throughout the 16-game regular season. There is versatility involved, we’re going to a look and see if he feels comfortable at that spot.”



On opportunities for WR Andre Caldwell due to other injuries at the wideout position

“When one door closes for somebody, another door opens. So it gives him that opportunity, much like [TE] Joel Dreessen being out has given [TE] Julius Thomas an opportunity to get those game reps, as well as practice reps. It’s really good to be able to develop young people on your team.”



On if Caldwell could play inside

“Bubba is capable of both—inside or outside. So are some of the other guys. Again, being versatile is important, really regardless of the position, maybe other than quarterback.”

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Old 08-20-2013, 05:31 PM   #153
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Play the starter into the 3rd is only a good idea of they get minimal opportunities in the 1st half. Don't need anymore starters going down for a meaningless game
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:56 PM   #154
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I see lots of runs up the gut with WW at MLB. I love him, he just isn't a MLB.
Well I think Nacho Libre has something to say about that.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:58 PM   #155
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I see lots of runs up the gut with WW at MLB. I love him, he just isn't a MLB.
Denver's interior DL are mammoth now and could help keep the OL from getting to the 2nd level.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:03 PM   #156
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Wow! I guess they figured both Nasty Nate and Steward weren't going to cut it. I hope Woody can get it done a MLB tho!
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:08 PM   #157
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Denver's interior DL are mammoth now and could help keep the OL from getting to the 2nd level.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:36 PM   #158
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“We did add a new member to the club: Paris Lenon, linebacker."
“That was going to be a move we made regardless [Wood at MIKE].
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Irving is moving to SAM because Von Miller is out for a minimum of 5 games.
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There is really nothing to suggest that this is anything more than a temporary shift based on Von's pending suspension,
Looks like your theories just got blown out of the water. No need to send an apology card, my mailbox is full.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:42 PM   #159
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I'm perplexed why so many are content with Irving starting at SAM..?

We have Ayers more than likely starting at RDE, if they go with Phillips, then it was soley about $ with Doom in a time we are chasing a Title.

Our pass rush is going to suffer, and Irving will not help.. Phillips needs to start at SAM.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:47 PM   #160
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I'm perplexed why so many are content with Irving starting at SAM..?

We have Ayers more than likely starting at RDE, if they go with Phillips, then it was soley about $ with Doom in a time we are chasing a Title.

Our pass rush is going to suffer, and Irving will not help.. Phillips needs to start at SAM.
I don't think most fans are all that content with either Phillips or Irving starting there.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:59 PM   #161
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Our pass rush is going to suffer, and Irving will not help.. Phillips needs to start at SAM.
...or Lenon, or McCray.

Phillips has been looking real good at SAM btw. Gotta have the best pass-rushers available on the field at closed end and Sam.

Too bad your guy Quanterus is nowhere close to ready. Was kinda looking forward to that.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:38 PM   #162
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...or Lenon, or McCray.

Phillips has been looking real good at SAM btw. Gotta have the best pass-rushers available on the field at closed end and Sam.

Too bad your guy Quanterus is nowhere close to ready. Was kinda looking forward to that.
I can only spot the talent, I can't make him perform or be healthy.

Phillips has looked good and he needs to start at SAM. McCray needs to see some serious reps. Lenon cannot pass rush, I'm talking about not compromising our scheme. I liked the idea of Trevethan, WW, Phillips. We have our a combination of pass rushers and coverage players, and our two gapping defensive front.

Irving at SAM makes our defense more of a traditional 4-3. That's not who we are.. If this was the case..I would play our defense like the following..
Phillips, Wolfe, Vickerson, Jackson
Trevethan, Woodyard, Irving

Maybe you play Sly at UT, Wolfe at LDE, and rotate RDE options.. Either way I'm not content with a more traditional 4-3.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:40 PM   #163
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Well I think Nacho Libre has something to say about that.
Nacho Libre played like Jack Black against Seattle. He was no where to be seen.
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I'm perplexed why so many are content with Irving starting at SAM..?

We have Ayers more than likely starting at RDE, if they go with Phillips, then it was soley about $ with Doom in a time we are chasing a Title.

Our pass rush is going to suffer, and Irving will not help.. Phillips needs to start at SAM.
Denver is going to have to go like the 2005 team for a few games and send a bunch of extra people to create a pass rush.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:07 PM   #165
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Denver is going to have to go like the 2005 team for a few games and send a bunch of extra people to create a pass rush.
Or simply pin 40 on every team so it doesn't even matter.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:38 AM   #166
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Nacho Libre played like Jack Black against Seattle. He was no where to be seen.
Interestingly I rewatched the game in depth. I saw a lot of Cover 2 from our Safeties. I also didn't see Duke do anything wrong..
Moore on the other hand, that's a different story.

I really think the premis of our basic looks was for the film on how players would respond. A learning experience.

I hate Bradley, but everyone is jumping him from the play where he left the TE open, yet he attacked the developing screen. I'd prefer a TE make a catch underneath a Cover 2 look than a RB get a convoy on a screen.

Either way that play is damn if you do damn if you don't. It also looked to me like Hillman was intentionally run into less than favorable situations to see what he too was capable of. It was important to have trial and error to correct now, rather than go after the preseason title.
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What's incomprehensible to me is Fox is saying Von will STILL start! How is that supposed to help the starting D come game one?

“Well, you’ve got to be flexible. At different spots he’s proven to be one of our better linebackers. [LB] Danny Trevathan will line up on the weak side, and [LB] Von [Miller] on the strong side as far as the starting group. We’ll see what that looks like this week.”
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What's incomprehensible to me is Fox is saying Von will STILL start! How is that supposed to help the starting D come game one?

“Well, you’ve got to be flexible. At different spots he’s proven to be one of our better linebackers. [LB] Danny Trevathan will line up on the weak side, and [LB] Von [Miller] on the strong side as far as the starting group. We’ll see what that looks like this week.”
Yeah, that was weird. But someone else posted today at practice that he was with the scout team. So i guess its not true
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Probably indicates Irving plays SAM while Miller is suspended.

I actually like this arrangement. Trevathan and WW are our best coverage LBs. Wonder what happens after Von comes back though.
Irving sits.
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I can only spot the talent, I can't make him perform or be healthy.
In a year where the Broncos desperately needed a pass-rusher to replace Dumervil, they are EXTREMELY lucky they picked up Shaun Phillips after the draft. Quanterus Smith does nothing for this team.

Sly is looking like a wasted pick so far. I haven't seen him do anything yet this preseason. Having Damontre Moore would be real nice right about now.

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Irving at SAM makes our defense more of a traditional 4-3. That's not who we are.
I agree. Shaun Phillips is more effective on the left side of the formation anyway (who isn't). It will be interesting to see what kind of an impact Irving will have.
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In a year where the Broncos desperately needed a pass-rusher to replace Dumervil, they are EXTREMELY lucky they picked up Shaun Phillips after the draft. Quanterus Smith does nothing for this team.

Sly is looking like a wasted pick so far. I haven't seen him do anything yet this preseason. Having Damontre Moore would be real nice right about now.



I agree. Shaun Phillips is more effective on the left side of the formation anyway (who isn't). It will be interesting to see what kind of an impact Irving will have.
Why is Q a wasted pick? You base his potential off of soley year 1 impact? That's a bit unfair. As it is unfair to call Sly a wasted pick, these guys haven't played a down yet.

What has Moore done to warrant a draft pick? He hasn't played a real NFL snap either..

Irving may offer a more physical presence verse the run, but that's it.
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In a year where the Broncos desperately needed a pass-rusher to replace Dumervil, they are EXTREMELY lucky they picked up Shaun Phillips after the draft. Quanterus Smith does nothing for this team.

Sly is looking like a wasted pick so far. I haven't seen him do anything yet this preseason. Having Damontre Moore would be real nice right about now.



I agree. Shaun Phillips is more effective on the left side of the formation anyway (who isn't). It will be interesting to see what kind of an impact Irving will have.
This is what drives me nuts about you. He's played TWO PRESEASON GAMES and you've already declared him a bust.
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Sly is looking like a wasted pick so far. I haven't seen him do anything yet this preseason.
how many 1st-round DTs reach their potential in year 1?

The regular season hasn't even started yet, but somehow a guy at a position with notoriously steep curve is already being called a "wasted pick?"
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Sly is looking like a wasted pick so far. I haven't seen him do anything yet this preseason. Having Damontre Moore would be real nice right about now.
C'MON MAN!
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:11 PM   #175
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indeed as has been said. This will put TONS of pressure on the Defensive Line
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