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Old 08-15-2013, 03:25 PM   #151
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That's nice. I was referring to the existence of the modern human races.
You mean humans that aren't conservative trogs.
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:14 PM   #152
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That's nice. I was referring to the existence of the modern human races.
Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills?

"It pushes back the beginning of anatomically modern humans."

Once homo sapiens became homo sapiens, that was it.

Genetic studies and fossil evidence show that archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 150,000 years ago,[2] that members of one branch of Homo sapiens left Africa by between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago, and that over time these humans replaced earlier human populations such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus.
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:56 PM   #153
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Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills?

"It pushes back the beginning of anatomically modern humans."

Once homo sapiens became homo sapiens, that was it.

Genetic studies and fossil evidence show that archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 150,000 years ago,[2] that members of one branch of Homo sapiens left Africa by between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago, and that over time these humans replaced earlier human populations such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_..._modern_humans

We are all Africans, whether you like it or not.
Again missing the point. Aside from that not all scientists subscribe to the Out of Africa theory, I've not seen evidence that modern human races we see today existed at that time. I didn't say humans didn't come out of Africa. I'm taking for granted that it is the case. What I question is that Nat X stepped out of Africa and spread across the earth. You equate African with modern black. I do not.
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So what evidence do you have to support multiple origins?
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Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A (originated 132,000 ± 12,000 years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named β-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and β-haplogroup, coined the α-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lat- eral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.
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The ancestors of monkeys, apes and humans may have originated in Asia and not Africa as often thought, new fossils suggest.

The origin of anthropoids — the simians, or "higher primates," which include monkeys, apes and humans — has been debated for decades among scientists. Although fossils unearthed in Egypt have long suggested that Africa was the cradle for anthropoids, other bones revealed in the last 15 years or so raised the possibility that Asia may be their birthplace.

Now, an international team of scientists has unearthed a new fossil in Southeast Asia that may prove that anthropoids originated in what is now the East, shedding light on a pivotal step in primate and human evolution.
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The Denisovan genome, reported online Thursday in the journal Science, was derived from tiny quantities of shredded DNA extracted from a finger bone found in a Russian cave in 2008, as well as a tooth found later.

What is striking, scientists said, is that it is every bit as detailed as a sequence generated with a fresh blood or saliva sample from someone alive today.

Analysis of the genome and comparisons with ours and the Neanderthals' will offer insights into the history of Homo sapiens — who we mated with, where and when — as well as the unique genetic changes that make modern humans who they are, scientists said.

Study leader Svante Paabo, a pioneer in decoding ancient genomes, said it would take biologists decades to understand the meaning of all these tiny differences.

"Many of them may have no function — but among them will undoubtedly hide some crucial changes that are essential for what made modern human history possible," said Paabo, director of the department of evolutionary genetics at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.
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"Majewski and his colleagues have demonstrated that the natural processing of messenger RNA (mRNA), via a process called splicing, is genetically controlled by these SNPs. The SNPs in certain individuals lead to changes in splicing and result in the production of drastically altered forms of the protein. These out-of-proportion consequences may lead to the development of genetic diseases such as cystic fibrosis and Type 1 diabetes."

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"From the parts preserved, this fossil could just as likely be related to preceding archaic humans, or even to the Neanderthals, who at times seem to have extended their range towards China."
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Again missing the point. Aside from that not all scientists subscribe to the Out of Africa theory, I've not seen evidence that modern human races we see today existed at that time. I didn't say humans didn't come out of Africa. I'm taking for granted that it is the case. What I question is that Nat X stepped out of Africa and spread across the earth. You equate African with modern black. I do not.
No doubt the same ratio of scientists who dispute AGW. You can always find a scientist to refute the widely accepted theory, if you pay them enough. "Nat X?" What's that. Genetically speaking, the homo sapiens that existed then are no different than the h. sapiens that exist now.
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Stopped reading when Denisovan's was brought up.
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The ancestors of monkeys, apes and humans may have originated in Asia and not Africa as often thought, new fossils suggest.

The origin of anthropoids — the simians, or "higher primates," which include monkeys, apes and humans — has been debated for decades among scientists. Although fossils unearthed in Egypt have long suggested that Africa was the cradle for anthropoids, other bones revealed in the last 15 years or so raised the possibility that Asia may be their birthplace.

Now, an international team of scientists has unearthed a new fossil in Southeast Asia that may prove that anthropoids originated in what is now the East, shedding light on a pivotal step in primate and human evolution.
Please. 37 million years ago? The thing probably resembled a lemur. You're talking proto-simian here.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:57 AM   #165
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I have acquaintances who believe in the theory but I've never explored their position in any detail. They say there is ample evidence against the Out of Africa theory.

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No doubt the same ratio of scientists who dispute AGW. You can always find a scientist to refute the widely accepted theory, if you pay them enough. "Nat X?" What's that. Genetically speaking, the homo sapiens that existed then are no different than the h. sapiens that exist now.
The homo sapien reconstructions I have seen do not look like modern humans, which was my point. Their skulls are very distinctively different, not counting other features. And if they don't look like modern humans, how can they resemble modern human races as we know them? These were very early humans.

As far as I know of, the oldest skeleton of a modern black person was found in a dried riverbed in the Sahara Desert or somewhere near there and dates to about 5,000 years old. Humans as we look today are not that old.
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No. There is not.
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That might be homo erectus or h. neanderthalis, but it's not home sapiens.

This is probably much closer:



From skeletal remains 35,000 years old.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...n-1678537.html

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nyuk will stick with his racist pseudoscience forever.
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Lol @ homo sapien reconstruction. Lol.
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That might be homo erectus or h. neanderthalis, but it's not home sapiens.

This is probably much closer:



From skeletal remains 35,000 years old.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...n-1678537.html
Not a Neanderthal. Cranial and facial structure is not remotely close. Erectus, perhaps.
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Not a Neanderthal. Cranial and facial structure is not remotely close. Erectus, perhaps.
Perhaps you can post a good homo sapien reconstruction?
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