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Old 08-13-2013, 02:49 PM   #76
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Because one potentially-flawed study based on a flawed and insufficient measure isn't enough to declare blacks inherently more stupid than whites.

Like I said, misusing science to justify your bigotry.
That's a gross mischaracterization, and worse than that, you're intentionally stating that it's only one study. Decades of studies show a consistent average IQ gap of 15 points, including studies done by egalitarian-minded researchers like I have just mentioned. I've said this already.

Pretending otherwise certainly doesn't further your cause or advance your mythical idea of equal IQ distribution.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:32 PM   #77
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I'm not religious and I don't listen to him. Perhaps entering the adult world and having adult conversations instead of b****ing at caricatures are in order today?
missing the point, as usual. The majority of your ilk do listen to him
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:25 PM   #79
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missing the point, as usual. The majority of your ilk do listen to him
My ilk. One of the favorite catchwords of the left right up there with spew.

I don't see him as any worse than Maddow or any other weirdo the left love to listen to howl, so gives a turkey?
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
Quote scripture as you throw the wood into a pile and get the fires burning to burn the witches and heretics.

Atta boy.
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Who needs years of valid psychological testing in intelligence and its heritability when you have the news media and their version of science?

Hint: "A study." Not the overall consensus which is that IQ testing is valid and due to that is in frequent use.

Though as txtebow already stated in this thread, with the left, IQ never matters until its time to invoke low IQ as a reason to not execute a murderer.

Funny how that works.
The news media reported, not conducted, the tests.

I have no idea if there is a consensus of agreement with the findings, obviously neither do you.

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“It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests,” Dr Highfield said.

“For a century or more many people have thought that we can distinguish between people, or indeed populations, based on the idea of general intelligence which is often talked about in terms of a single number: IQ. We have shown here that’s just wrong,” he said.

Studies over the past 50 years based on IQ tests have suggested that there could be inherent differences in intelligence between racial groups, social classes and between men and women, but these conclusions are undermined by the latest findings, Dr Highfield said.

“We already know that, from a scientific point of view, the notion of race is meaningless. Genetic differences do not map on to traditional measurements of skin colour, hair type, body proportions and skull measurements. Now we have shown that IQ is meaningless too,” Dr Highfield said
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White People Think College Admissions Should Be Based on Test Scores, Except When They Learn Asians Score Better Than Whites

Should college admissions be based on simple quantitative metrics of academic skill such as standardized test scores and grade point averages? According to new research from Frank Samson, a sociologist at the University of Miami, white people sure think this is how admissions should work. That's what they think, that is, unless they're informed that such a system actually advantages Asian-American applicants rather than white ones:
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions—apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants.
As I said last week, the entire debate over affirmative action misses what's really unfair in college admissions and this is further evidence that there's no stable underlying concept of "meritocracy" undergirding the system. But rather than dedicating the most resources to the "best" students and then fighting over who's the best, we should be allocating resources to the people who are mostly likely to benefit from additional instructional resources.
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Quote scripture as you throw the wood into a pile and get the fires burning to burn the witches and heretics.

Atta boy.
You seem to have an unerring talent for missing the point.

It means that racists always come cloaked in the garments of benevolent intention.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:37 PM   #84
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The news media reported, not conducted, the tests.

I have no idea if there is a consensus of agreement with the findings, obviously neither do you.
I've already stated repeatedly that what I've learned about the validity of IQ testing and the heritability of IQ I learned in college psychology, not from pasting links to single studies in the media or questionably-motivated lefty professors.

So yes I have a clue. There is a consensus.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:43 PM   #85
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White People Think College Admissions Should Be Based on Test Scores, Except When They Learn Asians Score Better Than Whites

Should college admissions be based on simple quantitative metrics of academic skill such as standardized test scores and grade point averages? According to new research from Frank Samson, a sociologist at the University of Miami, white people sure think this is how admissions should work. That's what they think, that is, unless they're informed that such a system actually advantages Asian-American applicants rather than white ones:
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions—apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants.
As I said last week, the entire debate over affirmative action misses what's really unfair in college admissions and this is further evidence that there's no stable underlying concept of "meritocracy" undergirding the system. But rather than dedicating the most resources to the "best" students and then fighting over who's the best, we should be allocating resources to the people who are mostly likely to benefit from additional instructional resources.
Lol!! This white person is for merit based admissions. We will address that subject once race based quotas have gone the way of the do-do bird....
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It is almost as though the "dark arts of race and IQ" were an untapped field of potential knowledge, not one of the most discredited fields of study in modern history. We should first be clear that there is nothing mysterious or forbidden about purporting to study race and intelligence. Indeed, despite an inability to define "race" or "intelligence," such studies are one of the dominant intellectual strains in Western history. We forget this because its convient to believe that history begins with the Watts riots. But it's important to remember the particular tradition that Charles Murray and Jason Richwine are working in. A brief reminder seems in order.
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Should college admissions be based on simple quantitative metrics of academic skill such as standardized test scores and grade point averages? According to new research from Frank Samson, a sociologist at the University of Miami, white people sure think this is how admissions should work. That's what they think, that is, unless they're informed that such a system actually advantages Asian-American applicants rather than white ones:
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions—apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants.
As I said last week, the entire debate over affirmative action misses what's really unfair in college admissions and this is further evidence that there's no stable underlying concept of "meritocracy" undergirding the system. But rather than dedicating the most resources to the "best" students and then fighting over who's the best, we should be allocating resources to the people who are mostly likely to benefit from additional instructional resources.
Aside from your grotesquely oversized screaming font which I had to edit out, Asians likewise benefit from AA programs and diversity scholarships which put them in advantageous (and absolutely unnecessary) position over whites. Knowing this then, why wouldn't whites view that negatively?

Test scores aren't that much different between the two groups to justify the disproportionate representation. AA and other handouts would explain that.

The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions -- apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants. (Nationally, Asian average total scores on the three parts of the SAT best white average scores by 1,641 to 1,578 this year.)
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White People Think College Admissions Should Be Based on Test Scores, Except When They Learn Asians Score Better Than Whites

Should college admissions be based on simple quantitative metrics of academic skill such as standardized test scores and grade point averages? According to new research from Frank Samson, a sociologist at the University of Miami, white people sure think this is how admissions should work. That's what they think, that is, unless they're informed that such a system actually advantages Asian-American applicants rather than white ones:
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions—apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants.
As I said last week, the entire debate over affirmative action misses what's really unfair in college admissions and this is further evidence that there's no stable underlying concept of "meritocracy" undergirding the system. But rather than dedicating the most resources to the "best" students and then fighting over who's the best, we should be allocating resources to the people who are mostly likely to benefit from additional instructioal resources.
And how Exactly do you define who will most likely benefit from additional resources? Those with the highest IQ's perhaps? Underachieving sons and daughters of physicians and other elite fields? Honestly what you wrote is a big word pile of empty meaning....
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Read here to find out how quickly the Heritage Foundation (heritage of what, you might ask) distanced itself from Richwine once they got wind of his dissertation.

This is not to denigrate Richwine's dissertation committee. Still, as someone all too familiar with the Ph.D. life, let's just say that an argument based solely on authority is not convincing. I've perused parts of Richwine's dissertation, and … well … hoo boy. Key terms are poorly defined, auxiliary assumptions abound, and the literature I'm familiar with that is cited as authoritative is, well, not good. It's therefore unsurprising that, until last week, Richwine's dissertation disappeared into the ether the moment after it was approved. According to Google Scholar, no one cited it in the four years since it appeared. Furthermore, Richwine apparently didn't convert any part of it into any kind of refereed or non-refereed publication. Based on the comments that Weigel and others have received from Richwine's dissertation committee, one wonders just how much supervising was going on.
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It is almost as though the "dark arts of race and IQ" were an untapped field of potential knowledge, not one of the most discredited fields of study in modern history. We should first be clear that there is nothing mysterious or forbidden about purporting to study race and intelligence. Indeed, despite an inability to define "race" or "intelligence," such studies are one of the dominant intellectual strains in Western history. We forget this because its convient to believe that history begins with the Watts riots. But it's important to remember the particular tradition that Charles Murray and Jason Richwine are working in. A brief reminder seems in order.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...ecraft/275783/
And here we are with invoking the Hitler card to stifle uncomfortable science, right on time, which is what this thread was about to begin with: The reactive, fearful, hostile knee-jerk liberal response to science they don't like. My, what would happen to the faith of the people if it were leaked that the world isn't flat! O****!

Thank you for providing an illustration to prove tx's point on this here tidy thread.

Do us a favor and make sure to email the National Institutes of Health and tell them stop funding research that concludes there is an IQ gap or at least demand they don't come to unequal results. Don't forget there is also a pressing need to suffocate research into the field of race-based medicine. Regardless of that certain heart medicines help black people more than white people, it's best to give them the standard treatment and keep those death rates nice and elevated.

In the name of equality.

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Read here to find out how quickly the Heritage Foundation (heritage of what, you might ask) distanced itself from Richwine once they got wind of his dissertation.
Unsurprisingly, which I find all too common even though I've already pointed it out on this thread, the anti side of the IQ debate insist on spinning it as if it's only a small group of rogues producing these studies.

False. Let's pretend Redwine is a cannibal and faked everything he wrote.

It changes nothing.

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You seem to have an unerring talent for missing the point.

It means that racists always come cloaked in the garments of benevolent intention.
Science isn't racist.

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And here we are with invoking the Hitler card to stifle uncomfortable science, right on time, which is what this thread was about to begin with: The reactive, fearful, hostile knee-jerk liberal response to science they don't like. My, what would happen to the faith of the people if it were leaked that the world isn't flat! O****!

Thank you for providing an illustration to prove tx's point on this here tidy thread.

Do us a favor and make sure to email the National Institutes of Health and tell them stop funding research that concludes there is an IQ gap or at least demand they don't come to unequal results. Don't forget there is also a pressing need to suffocate research into the field of race-based medicine. Regardless of that certain heart medicines help black people more than white people, it's best to give them the standard treatment and keep those death rates nice and elevated.

In the name of equality.

KEEP THE FAITH!!!
Oh. You mean the idea that people wouldn't just swallow Richwine's assertions without question? And to question is to be a "...reactive, fearful, hostile knee-jerk liberal?" What do you think science is? Isn't the whole idea of science to question? Like the articles I posted point out, this dissertation was not peer reviewed until Richwine became a policy analyst for the Heritage Foundation. Of course, once the nature of this paper came out he was canned. The more this dissertation gets held up to the light, the more holes one finds. Like Drezner at Foreign Policy pointed out, "Key terms are poorly defined, auxiliary assumptions abound, and the literature I'm familiar with that is cited as authoritative is, well, not good."
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Yawn... Richwine... rant rave rant rave... Heritage... growl roarrr...

I've already posted multiple sources for these IQ tests. They stretch back many decades, internationally. Just get the hell over this Redwine fetish and move on.

Please put the Hitler card down and step away.
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Yawn... Richwine... rant rave rant rave... Heritage... growl roarrr...

I've already posted multiple sources for these IQ tests. They stretch back many decades, internationally. Just get the hell over this Redwine fetish and move on.

Please put the Hitler card down and step away.
Which is why I will no longer waste time arguing anything with you. Once again, we have arrived at the point in the discussion where you plug your ears, sit on the ground and start bleating "Hitler, Hitler..." You and txtebow are a whole lot closer to that man's philosophy than I am. Read the Atlantic article I posted for some "history" on IQ tests and race. There's plenty of history, alright.

Of course, I know that you have no intention whatsoever of reading anything I post. It's so easy to simply ignore evidence that is contrary to your prejudices, isn't it?

Why does your racist buddy txtebow not come up with some heavy-weight, large scale study conducted by reputable scientists to make his claim that blacks are mentally inferior to whites, rather than some half buried dissertation by a grad student?
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Oh, and BTW, did you hear about this study?

Meanwhile, the genetic ancestry of the typical African American is 22 percent European with around 10 percent of U.S. Blacks being of more than 50 percent European ancestry.
http://www.eurweb.com/2010/05/latest...percent-white/

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Oh, and BTW, did you hear about this study?

Meanwhile, the genetic ancestry of the typical African American is 22 percent European with around 10 percent of U.S. Blacks being of more than 50 percent European ancestry.
http://www.eurweb.com/2010/05/latest...percent-white/

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I've been aware of it for years. And? It goes with one of the IQ studies I already linked to on this page.
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Which is why I will no longer waste time arguing anything with you. Once again, we have arrived at the point in the discussion where you plug your ears, sit on the ground and start bleating "Hitler, Hitler..." You and txtebow are a whole lot closer to that man's philosophy than I am. Read the Atlantic article I posted for some "history" on IQ tests and race. There's plenty of history, alright.

Of course, I know that you have no intention whatsoever of reading anything I post. It's so easy to simply ignore evidence that is contrary to your prejudices, isn't it?

Why does your racist buddy txtebow not come up with some heavy-weight, large scale study conducted by reputable scientists to make his claim that blacks are mentally inferior to whites, rather than some half buried dissertation by a grad student?
You don't answer my points about the validity and heritability of IQ (because you can't) and go off on tangents that are personal attacks against a single irrelevant person in a single organization that you don't like based on an article by an offended black person to attack the entire study of IQ and try to make a guilt-by-association tie to Hitler as if invoking a scary historical narrative article in a liberal magazine overrides and invalidates decades of studies which have been proven valid using the scientific method and have been replicated internationally for decades. DUH!

Yep. You're a liberal. Funny how guilt by association was called racist when done to Obama. At least with Obama's critics, Obama actually associated with these people!

Wow, so like some dude(s) mentioned scientific studies in ways you and yours find offensive so we should... What? Squelch the science itself? Why would you want to stifle science, sir? Again, you sound like a flat earther fundamentalist religious moonbat for even insinuating such a thing. Contratu-****ing-lations.

Don't even bother waiting for someone to engage in such behavior. Pre-emptively profile them as guilty and attack them before they have a chance to flinch! Yeah!

I mean, who needs decades of valid scientific study when you have Ta-Nehisi Coates? (Oh hey, you think if IQ data showed blacks on top that Coates would be soiling the carpets and drapes?)

You've done dick on this thread. Nothing. At this point, I don't think you even have pants anymore.
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Yet more rationalizations from nyuk for his anti-black bigotry.
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Yet more rationalizations from nyuk for his anti-black bigotry.
Science is neither rationalization nor bigotry. Since you claim it is, state your case. How many times have I had to repeat this to you because of your habit of "debating" by calling names, throwing one-liner slurs, and then bailing from threads?

In a debate forum it is expected you do more than get a good wind-up before throwing poop

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