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Old 08-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #26
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I do believe in the power of prayer though. I also believe in the power of laughter, hypnosis and morphine. Whatever gets a person through, I say more power to you.

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Old 08-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #27
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Doesn't that imply that there are no good people in the world, only people god makes do good things?

I do get it, it would be wonderful to wake up one day and say "god you got this right" and believe that everything good that happens is because of a benevolent god and everything bad that happens is because its gods will and I shouldnt question his "plan", thats a really great way to exist when everything can be put off on a "higher power". I am just not wired that way. I don't want to spend my life dreaming and wishing of a better afterlife, I think Ill just make this one as great as it can be instead of hoping the next one is better.
Hard to read most of this without pointing out how anti-evolutionary it is at heart. Define evolutionary "Good" or "Bad." And this is what I think is maybe the most foundational Christian teaching for people who want to worry about 'this life' instead of (or in addition to) the next.

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Old 08-13-2013, 10:37 AM   #28
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Nothing's any more fantasmical than "Big Bang from nothing and because of nothing and now Here We Are"
It's much more likely the earth is flat and 6000 years old.
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I don't want to spend my life dreaming and wishing of a better afterlife, I think Ill just make this one as great as it can be instead of hoping the next one is better.
People of all faiths also believe in bettering themselves and this world for their posterity.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:43 AM   #30
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People of all faiths also believe in bettering themselves and this world for their posterity.
To a certain extent that's true but, people of faith have a vested interest in bettering as they believe they will be rewarded, I just think its a good idea and the way I want to live. I do not care about the reward at the end.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:46 AM   #31
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It's much more likely the earth is flat and 6000 years old.
Or that popular history is sometimes made up out of whole cloth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
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Or that popular history is sometimes made up out of whole cloth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
Mythology is alive and well in our collective history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...misconceptions
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:58 AM   #33
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To a certain extent that's true but, people of faith have a vested interest in bettering as they believe they will be rewarded, I just think its a good idea and the way I want to live. I do not care about the reward at the end.
What does it matter why they do it? There is no difference between the people that do it for a reward they are aware they will never realize while they live or the people that do it just "cuz?"
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Mythology is alive and well in our collective history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...misconceptions
That's awesome. Someone looked at Wikipedia and said "this needs an entry about all misconceptions throughout all time."

Futile, but interesting.
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What does it matter why they do it? There is no difference between the people that do it for a reward they are aware they will never realize while they live or the people that do it just "cuz?"
People who live a good life with the knowledge of a reward is vastly different than people who do it just because, granted the end result is the same but there is a difference.
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People who live a good life with the knowledge of a reward is vastly different than people who do it just because, granted the end result is the same but there is a difference.
If you are drowning and a stranger risks his life to save yours,
Would you consider it sinister if he did it because he preferred to see you alive and enjoying the beach instead of dead and floating in the water?
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That's awesome. Someone looked at Wikipedia and said "this needs an entry about all misconceptions throughout all time."

Futile, but interesting.
I doubt that list is remotely close to 'all' myths.
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If you are drowning and a stranger risks his life to save yours,
Would you consider it sinister if he did it because he preferred to see you alive and enjoying the beach instead of dead and floating in the water?
I skipped over your other post because it wasnt very easy to understand and did not make a whole lot of sense. Now you follow it up with this and again I am wondering, what is your point?

If you read my post I clearly state "the end result is the same". To answer you (I think) no I wouldn't think it was sinister if someone saved me from drowning but I think the religious person would say it was gods will he saved me and god gave him the strength etc., I would rather that person be proud of himself and not a perceived higher power for doing something good and saving a life.
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I skipped over your other post because it wasnt very easy to understand and did not make a whole lot of sense. Now you follow it up with this and again I am wondering, what is your point?

If you read my post I clearly state "the end result is the same". To answer you (I think) no I wouldn't think it was sinister if someone saved me from drowning but I think the religious person would say it was gods will he saved me and god gave him the strength etc., I would rather that person be proud of himself and not a perceived higher power for doing something good and saving a life.
You make allusion to good and bad in almost every post. Evolutionarily speaking, why should someone risk their lives to save yours?
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So it was just a guy.
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So it was just a guy.
I was hoping it was Bruno Ganz but would have been even cooler if it were Peter Faulk!



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Old 08-13-2013, 12:14 PM   #43
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I lived through a major car wreck that severed a main artery in my neck, almost bleeding to death.....totally severed nerves and muscles in left arm leaving it impossible to move.

Tore up my face needing plastic surgery.

I shouldn't have survived either but I did.......dumb luck is all it is folks.

Believe whatever makes you feel better though.
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:18 PM   #44
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This story would have been better if Tebow had appeared on the scene, while reportedly being at the same time throwing bounce passes at Gillette Stadium. Two places at once! How can that be?!?
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So it was just a guy.
An Irish guy. If that helps.
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You make allusion to good and bad in almost every post. Evolutionarily speaking, why should someone risk their lives to save yours?
Congrats on a straight forward question..

Evolution of empathy and the good of the group. Our empathy for others has evolved to the point where we do not fear the denzion in the sky to harm us if we do not follow the rules. We do it because we have empathy for our fellow man.

The same traits (empathy) apes show towards each other, I do not know of any apes that pray.

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I lived through a major car wreck that severed a main artery in my neck, almost bleeding to death.....totally severed nerves and muscles in left arm leaving it impossible to move.

Tore up my face needing plastic surgery.

I shouldn't have survived either but I did.......dumb luck is all it is folks.

Believe whatever makes you feel better though.
Damn. For a guy with 1 usable arm.....you type pretty well.
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Congrats on a straight forward question..

Evolution of empathy and the good of the group. Our empathy for others has evolved to the point where we do not fear the denzion in the sky to harm us if we do not follow the rules. We do it because we have empathy for our fellow man.

The same traits (empathy) apes show towards each other, I do not know of any apes that pray.
The existence of empathy in other species does not necessarily make it evolutionary. Not if the question is "is there a higher order beyond evolution?" And the case for evolutionary development of empathy or especially conscience is just as sketchy as any religion out there.
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Damn. For a guy with 1 usable arm.....you type pretty well.
Five surgeries later, yeah I type ok except for that tick that makes me do this.....................................
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