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Old 08-07-2013, 05:09 PM   #51
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Had a heart attack did ya? We'll give ya a triple bypass. Here have some jello and a burger with cheese.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:27 AM   #52
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Had a heart attack did ya? We'll give ya a triple bypass. Here have some jello and a burger with cheese.
Do you honestly believe that there is no discussion with patients about changing eating habits after a heart attack? Pretty sure that is a mainstay of the education one would get from their doctor. Whether ir not the person follows that advice is completely up to them.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:35 AM   #53
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Do you honestly believe that there is no discussion with patients about changing eating habits after a heart attack? Pretty sure that is a mainstay of the education one would get from their doctor. Whether ir not the person follows that advice is completely up to them.
In general, once a person has a heart attack or bypass surgery, they tend to seek out better habits out of fear. The question is the eficacy of such behavior in people who become complacent, even though they have stents, new vascular materials in their ticker or have other inteventions.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:39 AM   #55
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Who is going to pay for this? Employers are going to stop providing health care. That's the bottom line. So who is going to pay for all the people going on the government's dime?
Individuals are still expected to pay for their individual policies purchased on State exchanges. If you are referring to subsidies, ist tax payer money... but the subsidies are not easy to get is you maintain a decent income.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:40 AM   #56
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this about sums up how I feel on the matter.
"Hey Broke Kids. You should pay extra for that Health Insurance you wouldn't normally buy anyway. Because old people get sick. And Because Conservative."

Not sure Sully knows what that word means anymore.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:45 AM   #57
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"Hey Broke Kids. You should pay extra for that Health Insurance you wouldn't normally buy anyway. Because old people get sick. And Because Conservative."

Not sure Sully knows what that word means anymore.
Yes, because everyone else should have to pay for the irresponsiblity of young people... what's the word the GOP like to use... socialism.... yep, that it

I am tired of paying for young TAKERS, I am a mid-thirties MAKER who has always had health insurance and I am tired of it. Time for them to pull up the bootstraps and take Personal Reponsibility for themselves... at 26 you are an adult, and will be treated as such.

I threw in the Rhetorcial Buzzwords, get it now?
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:53 AM   #58
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False Premise.

I like how a system designed around the healthy young (and poor) subsidizing the sick old (and rich) is framed by Sully as the height of personal accountability. Proof he can brilliantly form any opinion he wants on any set of facts, and his groupies will relentlessly lap it up.
Do you own home?
Do you drive a car?
Do you have a wife and kids?

Cause if you do, you likely carry Home Owner's, Autombile and Life Insurance. Do you realize you will likely pay a lifetime and almost never utilize the beneifts of these (you are paying in), but others are taking from that pool of money you all funded to cover their loses? Do you feel secure that is your castle burns to ground, it wil be rebuilt for you, if you car is totaled the insurance company will replace it, if you dies your wife will be able to fund your kids education? Are these things you consider bad?

If these are considered good, as most rational people, why the double standard for health insurance?
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:56 AM   #59
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:59 AM   #60
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Yes, because everyone else should have to pay for the irresponsiblity of young people... what's the word the GOP like to use... socialism.... yep, that it

I am tired of paying for young TAKERS, I am a mid-thirties MAKER who has always had health insurance and I am tired of it. Time for them to pull up the bootstraps and take Personal Reponsibility for themselves... at 26 you are an adult, and will be treated as such.

I threw in the Rhetorcial Buzzwords, get it now?
See, here's the point you're missing. Young people aren't being asked to pay the honest actuarial cost of their care. They're being asked to pay far above what their own coverage would cost to make up for the slack of older, sicker people being allowed to pay less.

And regardless of how much intergenerational theft we think will finally break the camel's back, the reality of the situation is that they simply won't sign up for it. Things would have to get much more coercive for that to happen. And I don't think the powers that be have the political stomach for that.
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Do you own home?
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Do you have a wife and kids?

Cause if you do, you likely carry Home Owner's, Autombile and Life Insurance. Do you realize you will likely pay a lifetime and almost never utilize the beneifts of these (you are paying in), but others are taking from that pool of money you all funded to cover their loses?
I own a home. I generally drive ****ty old cars that I fully own and carry liability only.. Not because I couldn't do better. But because I choose to sacrifice to minimize my costs. And I pay less based on the reality of my own personal risk decisions.

This is nothing like the mandate. What they expect you to pay has nothing to do with you and what you choose, or might be expected to cost. In fact, what you pay is basically a political decision. Obamacare is a reckless scheme that basically outsources the concept of a socialized payment (or maybe single payer) system. In reality it's the worst of both private and public sector solutions. And it will fall apart. Because solutions based on wishful thinking always do.

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Old 08-08-2013, 08:21 AM   #62
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Especially when the system supports continued sickness by treating symptoms and ignoring the root causes.
ahhh yes....remember when that evil mayor limited the size of our big gulps? or how about when that evil michelle obama pushed for healthier meals and exercise? Damn evil gubmint! Taking our freedoms away!


A closer look at why child obesity rates may be falling

If the USA is starting to get a handle on childhood obesity, as federal health officials said Tuesday, what might we finally be doing right?

Three trends are being held up by health experts as encouraging developments: programs to get kids to exercise more, such as first lady Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign; an increase in breast-feeding; and improvements in the nutritional content of foods provided to low-income women and children by the federal government.Thomas Frieden, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, cited all three examples in a news briefing announcing small but significant declines in obesity among low-income preschoolers in 18 states from 2008 to 2011.

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Old 08-08-2013, 08:40 AM   #63
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ADHD started exploding in the child population right around the time we started cutting recess and physical education out of our schools. ADHD is linked to dopamine shortages in the brain. Exercise stimulates dopamine production. Big Pharma makes billions selling ritalin and other drugs for ADHD. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
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In general, once a person has a heart attack or bypass surgery, they tend to seek out better habits out of fear. The question is the eficacy of such behavior in people who become complacent, even though they have stents, new vascular materials in their ticker or have other inteventions.
Yes, but they are educated on the better habits by their doctor. They are not fed cheeseburgers while they are recovering from surgery as Baja implies. If they become complacent and slip back into old habits, that's on them.
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ahhh yes....remember when that evil mayor limited the size of our big gulps? or how about when that evil michelle obama pushed for healthier meals and exercise? Damn evil gubmint! Taking our freedoms away!
Can't believe anyone's willing to defend that uberdouche.
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ahhh yes....remember when that evil mayor limited the size of our big gulps? or how about when that evil michelle obama pushed for healthier meals and exercise? Damn evil gubmint! Taking our freedoms away!


A closer look at why child obesity rates may be falling

If the USA is starting to get a handle on childhood obesity, as federal health officials said Tuesday, what might we finally be doing right?

Three trends are being held up by health experts as encouraging developments: programs to get kids to exercise more, such as first lady Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign; an increase in breast-feeding; and improvements in the nutritional content of foods provided to low-income women and children by the federal government.Thomas Frieden, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, cited all three examples in a news briefing announcing small but significant declines in obesity among low-income preschoolers in 18 states from 2008 to 2011.

http://www.freep.com/article/2013080...may-be-falling

Child obesity rates started falling in 2003. The FLOTUS did not begin her program until 2010. So...yeah.

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Do you own home?
Do you drive a car?
Do you have a wife and kids?
If I do not own a home, I am not required to have home owner's insurance. If I do not own a car, I am not required to have auto insurance. If I am not married or have children, I am not required to carry life insurance policies.

I am required to have "satisfactory" health insurance. If it is not satisfactory to some faceless blob at the IRS, I could face fines and be enrolled in a bastardized version of medicare. If I live in a rural area, and no doctor nearby will take medicare, I then get to truck on out to Colorado Springs and Denver until I find that doctor, which increases the cost to me. But hey. I have health insurance. Woo.

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Child obesity rates started falling in 2003. The FLOTUS did not begin her program until 2010. So...yeah.

I think I'll take Thomas Frieden's word over yours.
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Can't believe anyone's willing to defend that uberdouche.
Yep, you compalin because we spend too much money on health insurance..blah..blah..blah.. then when someone tries to regulate soda, which is horrible for you, you still complain.Must suck to be a rightie.
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I think I'll take Thomas Frieden's word over yours.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...g-nation-wide/

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A subtle but important shift in early childhood obesity rates in this low-income population seems to have begun in 2003. Obesity rates increased from 13.05 percent in 1998 to 15.21 percent in 2003. Soon, however, obesity rates began decreasing, reaching 14.94 percent by 2010. Extreme obesity followed a similar pattern, increasing from 1.75 percent to 2.22 percent from 1998 to 2003, but declining to 2.07 percent by 2010.

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Yes, but they are educated on the better habits by their doctor. They are not fed cheeseburgers while they are recovering from surgery as Baja implies. If they become complacent and slip back into old habits, that's on them.
Really? Go check a hospital food tray sometime, you will not find a lot of healthy food there.
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ahhh yes....remember when that evil mayor limited the size of our big gulps? or how about when that evil michelle obama pushed for healthier meals and exercise? Damn evil gubmint! Taking our freedoms away!


A closer look at why child obesity rates may be falling

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Three trends are being held up by health experts as encouraging developments: programs to get kids to exercise more, such as first lady Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign; an increase in breast-feeding; and improvements in the nutritional content of foods provided to low-income women and children by the federal government.Thomas Frieden, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, cited all three examples in a news briefing announcing small but significant declines in obesity among low-income preschoolers in 18 states from 2008 to 2011.

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Well I am certainly willing to do my part I volunteer for breast feeding, where do i sign up?
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Do you honestly believe that there is no discussion with patients about changing eating habits after a heart attack? Pretty sure that is a mainstay of the education one would get from their doctor. Whether ir not the person follows that advice is completely up to them.

The tragedy is there is very little emphasis on preventive medicine. There is no money in it. you gotta be sick before your doctor gets paid.
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Yep, you compalin because we spend too much money on health insurance..blah..blah..blah.. then when someone tries to regulate soda, which is horrible for you, you still complain.Must suck to be a rightie.
Man, that's one fundamentally unprincipled slope you kids are slicking.

How 'bout federal cafeterias, or mass calisthenics?

Your logic could be used to ban just about anything

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...al-cancer.html

Is the concept of individual liberty completely lost here?
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Man, that's one fundamentally unprincipled slope you kids are slicking.

How 'bout federal cafeterias, or mass calisthenics?

Your logic could be used to ban just about anything

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...al-cancer.html

Is the concept of individual liberty completely lost here?
i know you're kinda slow, but it was baja that said that the system doesn't address the causes, i brought up 2 examples where the system did. As usual you go apeshet with your orwellian bs.
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