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Old 08-07-2013, 06:37 AM   #76
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An entire threat devoted to The Usual Suspects (TM) engaging in some good 'ole Golden Age Fallacy.

Fascinating.
No different than the mythical middle-class golden age we're constantly hearing about.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:01 AM   #77
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This from an era when acting up in school was comprised of directing spitballs at your classmates and telling the teacher that your dog ate your homework...you're making false equivalency my friend.
Bull****. Inner city schools were just as bad then as they are now. Back then, knives were the weapon of choice. Now, guns are cheap enough. It's poverty. Poverty breeds societal chaos. And I ain't your friend.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:11 AM   #78
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Poverty breeds societal chaos.
Or societal chaos breeds poverty. Or more likely, both.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:13 AM   #79
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Or societal chaos breeds poverty. Or more likely, both.
Wrong again, Garibaldi. Poverty is a result of politics.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:46 AM   #80
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Wrong again, Garibaldi. Poverty is a result of politics.


Yeah, everyone's a victim. That is, the ones who aren't victimizers anyway. Black and White. Black and White.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:10 AM   #81
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Yeah, everyone's a victim. That is, the ones who aren't victimizers anyway. Black and White. Black and White.
Sorry. I took a course on food and world poverty in college and the professor at the start of the class said, "World poverty is a result of political decisions." Nobody believed him. By the end of the term, he had proved it.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:23 AM   #82
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No different than the mythical middle-class golden age we're constantly hearing about.
Cute attempt at changing the subject.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:09 PM   #83
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Sorry. I took a course on food and world poverty in college and the professor at the start of the class said, "World poverty is a result of political decisions." Nobody believed him. By the end of the term, he had proved it.
Well that's certainly scientific.

Is there an argument in there?
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:16 PM   #84
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This from an era when acting up in school was comprised of directing spitballs at your classmates and telling the teacher that your dog ate your homework...you're making false equivalency my friend.
That was when blacks weren't allowed to attend white schools, and they had to be across the bridge by dark in the county my dad grew up in.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:57 PM   #85
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Bull****. Inner city schools were just as bad then as they are now. Back then, knives were the weapon of choice. Now, guns are cheap enough. It's poverty. Poverty breeds societal chaos. And I ain't your friend.
Absolutley ****ING delusional.

And although it doesn't speak directly to the LACK of violence and higher educational accomplishments of American children in the 1950's and 60's as compared to the last decade or 2, the link below does offer some good information.

http://www.crf-usa.org/school-violen...-violence.html
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:03 PM   #86
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http://broadeducation.org/about/crisis_stats.html

American students are not learning the skills and knowledge they need to succeed in todayís world.

Two out of three eighth-graders canít read proficiently and most will never catch up. (NAEP, 2011) (NAEP, 2011)
Nearly two-thirds of eighth-graders scored below proficient in math. (NAEP, 2011)
Seventy-five percent of students are not proficient in civics. (NAEP, 2011)
Nearly three out of four eighth-and 12th-grade students cannot write proficiently. (NAEP, 2012)
Some 1.1 million American students drop out of school every year. (EPE, 2012)
For African-American and Hispanic students across the country, dropout rates are close to 40 percent, compared to the national average of 27 percent. (EPE, 2012)

Our public school students trail their peers in most other industrialized nations.

After World War II, the United States had the #1 high school graduation rate in the world. Today, we have dropped to # 22 among 27 industrialized nations. (OECD, 2012)
American students rank 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading compared to students in 27 industrialized countries.(OECD, 2012)
By the end of the eighth-grade, U.S. students are two years behind in math compared to their peers in other countries. (OECD, 2009)
The U.S. ranks behind 13 other countries in terms of the percentage of 25-34 year-olds who have completed some college coursework

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Old 08-07-2013, 06:48 PM   #87
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hard to say if "our" society is devolving or evolving. old folks worry about this since, um, Rome. All I know is I don't think I could pass this 1895 eighth grade test:

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Try this Literacy Test given to Black Voters in the 1960's by Louisiana to suppress and deny them self determination.





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Try this Literacy Test given to Black Voters in the 1960's by Louisiana to suppress and deny them self determination.






Neat find! I think this should be required for registration of EVERY VOTER!
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Neat find! I think this should be required for registration of EVERY VOTER!
You'd like a test that is expressly designed to disqualify as many people as possible -- regardless of actual competence to vote -- administered to every voter?
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Yes, after they don't need a white man's education and ****.

How many with grad degrees would we have flipping burgers if we weren't exporting tech jobs and importing cheap tech labor?

Acting out because of little hope for the future is a Marxist canard. I grew up poor, raised by a single mother. We were on welfare. She taught us to be clean and not act like ****. Why is this unreasonable?
Let me guess you grew up white. How do you think it would have played out if you were black? Now really try to experience black before you answer that.
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You'd like a test that is expressly designed to disqualify as many people as possible -- regardless of actual competence to vote -- administered to every voter?
"Regardless of actual competence to vote?"

I think that an adequate IQ level is an invaluable asset in a republic that functions by it's citizenry taking part in elections. I think that an adequate level of intelligence as defined by a simple test like this is essential. Otherwise this person's vote counts as much as yours:


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"Regardless of actual competence to vote?"

I think that an adequate IQ level is an invaluable asset in a republic that functions by it's citizenry taking part in elections. I think that an adequate level of intelligence as defined by a simple test like this is essential. Otherwise this person's vote counts as much as yours:


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Neat find! I think this should be required for registration of EVERY VOTER!
Then you couldn't vote. Try to answer those questions correctly. It's impossible.

For example, question 1 wants you to draw a line around a number. A line is the shortest distance between points A and B. It's not curved. It can't go around a number. That's drawing a circle instead.

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"Regardless of actual competence to vote?"

I think that an adequate IQ level is an invaluable asset in a republic that functions by it's citizenry taking part in elections. I think that an adequate level of intelligence as defined by a simple test like this is essential. Otherwise this person's vote counts as much as yours:
If you think that voting test has _anything_ to do with testing literacy or intelligence, then you lack the intelligence necessary to vote....

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If you think that voting test has _anything_ to do with testing literacy or intelligence, then you lack the intelligence necessary to vote....

If you think that NOT having an intelligence test as a necessary tool to achieve the most effective and informed electorate is wise, then you lack the intelligence necessary to vote.

See how that works?

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You got me. now gimme' my obama phone mother****er....
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txtebow would likely fail a high school civics exam.
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txtebow would likely fail a high school civics exam.
It's actually ironic considering what I do for a living and what my college degree is in, but I actually had AP credit for college in both history AND Political Science while in high school.......
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