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Old 07-30-2013, 12:58 PM   #51
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my point is we got alleged fans on here who have quit or trashed the team b****ing about a player who gives his all every single time.
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I'm loyal to the team....not any one player. if a player can't keep his nose clean..... I say get rid of them.

but feel free to cherry pick one post where like I said he was coming off an injury, had not produced, and had got into trouble with the law......
Those are pretty much every reason that every other poster that wants him gone uses. Why is it OK for you then? Should I use some []'s for the reasons why you are being a hypocrite?
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Owning a mouth-breather like errand is only moderately more difficult than breathing, but this was just a flawless domination done with only 3 words. Bravo.
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Owning a mouth-breather like errand is only moderately more difficult than breathing, but this was just a flawless domination done with only 3 words. Bravo.
I guess I just don't see why he think he can sit on a high horse on this topic given he wanted the "clown" gone as well. Moreno has done enough to warrant the hate he gets (hurt, DUI, lack of production for top 15 pick), despite being willing to do whatever it takes to stick as a Broncos the last two years.

I really hope he can play SP Teams and give us a reason to cut Ball though. I still won't hold out hope of him playing 16 games or being around when we need him.
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I guess I just don't see why he think he can sit on a high horse on this topic given he wanted the "clown" gone as well. Moreno has done enough to warrant the hate he gets (hurt, DUI, lack of production for top 15 pick), despite being willing to do whatever it takes to stick as a Broncos the last two years.

I really hope he can play SP Teams and give us a reason to cut Ball though. I still won't hold out hope of him playing 16 games or being around when we need him.
Of course he's willing to do whatever. The Broncos pay substantially more than T-Mobile.
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I'm loyal to the team....not any one player. if a player can't keep his nose clean..... I say get rid of them.

but feel free to cherry pick one post where like I said he was coming off an injury, had not produced, and had got into trouble with the law......
Don't feel bad, KM is a mCd player and someone has to be the Fan police when it comes to players of the mCd era.
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:39 PM   #57
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I don't get why you guys hate on Knowshon so much. He was up to task last year after being completely humbled, apparently he works his ass off, is willing to do anything, and does it all with a smile.

It wasn't his fault he was drafted so high.
I gave Slowshon all the props in the world last year when he finally stepped up. And if he stays healthy in the playoff game against BALT, DEN would have won. It was after Slowshon left the game that the blitz from BALT began to kill DEN.
However i agree with THE REV AND DENDUI55 about his value to the team.
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except... Moreno is actually decent at the position he wants to play.
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except... Moreno is actually decent at the position he wants to play.
100% of the time he's ready to go 50% of the time.
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Knowshon is definitely a disappointing pick based upon where he was taken, the expectations and where players went after him.
I wonder how much longer we can really say this. He's already produced on par with or even out-produced more than half of the guys taken at or around his position in the draft in the last 10 years.
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I wonder how much longer we can really say this. He's already produced on par with or even out-produced more than half of the guys taken at or around his position in the draft in the last 10 years.
That reads suspect...

Let's look into it further using your terms (#12 overall slot):

2009 Knowshon
2008 Clady
2007 Marshawn Lynch (great example as it fits position, too)
2006 Haloti Ngata
2005 Shawne Merriman
2004 Johnathan Vilma

...I mean, dude, who do you think he outproduced at ALL let alone "more than half"
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not like it matters, anyway. you don't look laterally, you look at what other people at his position have produced, or the (realistic) opportunity cost of taking him over other players that were available. and even then, it basically doesn't matter. even if the data doesn't support it, people expect a guy picked in the top half of the first round to become one of the better players at his position over the course of his career. if he doesn't, then he's a bust.
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That reads suspect...

Let's look into it further using your terms (#12 overall slot):

2009 Knowshon
2008 Clady
2007 Marshawn Lynch (great example as it fits position, too)
2006 Haloti Ngata
2005 Shawne Merriman
2004 Johnathan Vilma

...I mean, dude, who do you think he outproduced at ALL let alone "more than half"
I think "17 Seconds in Beantown" means comparable to other recently drafted RB's.

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Moreno will get his 100 carries or so then break down. I say keep him as 3rd down back
He's pretty good in that role.
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He's pretty good in that role.
Until he gets hurt and cannot finish the season.
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I wonder how much longer we can really say this. He's already produced on par with or even out-produced more than half of the guys taken at or around his position in the draft in the last 10 years.
no he hasn't. anytime you take a RB in the top 15 of the draft the expectation is that he will be a franchise runner churning out 1,200+ yard seasons with 10+ TD's and be a pro bowler.

Moreno has been average or below it and played well below his draft position especially when you consider Orakpo & Cushing were taken within the next 3 picks and have been pro bowl and franchise changing players.
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That reads suspect...

Let's look into it further using your terms (#12 overall slot):

2009 Knowshon
2008 Clady
2007 Marshawn Lynch (great example as it fits position, too)
2006 Haloti Ngata
2005 Shawne Merriman
2004 Johnathan Vilma

...I mean, dude, who do you think he outproduced at ALL let alone "more than half"
OR AROUND his position. Not just the #12 picks.
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no he hasn't. anytime you take a RB in the top 15 of the draft the expectation is that he will be a franchise runner churning out 1,200+ yard seasons with 10+ TD's and be a pro bowler.
That may be AN expectation, but it's not a realistic one. Sorry. More than half of all guys taken in the first round bust out completely and aren't even in the league in 5 years.
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That may be AN expectation, but it's not a realistic one. Sorry. More than half of all guys taken in the first round bust out completely and aren't even in the league in 5 years.
True, but more should be expected of top 15 players drafted, and I think the record shows far more than half of those players contribute significantly to their teams.

Lets face it, considering the expectations and potential of Moreno coming out of college plus the revenue and coaching poured into this guy, in the overall view of things, he is a bust.

That's not to say he can't play, the problem is that the team can't count on the guy, so he will remain just a piece in the rotation system of backs that seems to be the rule around the league these days.

It is a contract year, however, so, who knows. It would be a great time for him to set the league on fire.
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True, but more should be expected of top 15 players drafted, and I think the record shows far more than half of those players contribute significantly to their teams.
I guess I just view 3300 combined rushing and receiving yards and 22 TDs in basically just 3 full seasons of work to be "contributing significantly".
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I guess I just view 3300 combined rushing and receiving yards and 22 TDs in basically just 3 full seasons of work to be "contributing significantly".
Too bad he should have 4 seasons of full work and it's been 2 years since he played in more then 9 games or rushed for more then 600 yards. If he was on any other AFC West team you wouldn't think he was anything special. He is what he is, an OK back up RB. I don't think any GM will tell you that is ideal from a top 15 pick.
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That may be AN expectation, but it's not a realistic one. Sorry. More than half of all guys taken in the first round bust out completely and aren't even in the league in 5 years.
since you said "around" we'll look at picks from 8 to 16, both 4 picks around him each way.

2000
8.Plaxico Burress
9.Brian Urlacher
10.Travis Taylor
11.Ron Dayne
12.Shaun Ellis
13.John Abraham
14.Bubba Franks
15.Deltha O'Neal
16.Julian Peterson
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10.Jamal Reynolds
11.Dan Morgan
12.Damione Lewis
13.Marcus Stroud
14.Kenyatta Walker
15.Rod Gardner
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9.John Henderson
10.Levi Jones
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16.William Green
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9.Kevin Williams
10.Terrell Suggs
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14.Michael Haynes
15.Jerome McDougle
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9.Reggie Williams
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16.Shawn Andrews
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16.Justin Harrell
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10.Jerod Mayo
11.Leodis McKelvin
12.Ryan Clady
13.Jonathan Stewart
14.Chris Williams
15.Branden Albert
16.Dominique Rogers-Cromartie
2009
8.Eugene Monroe
9.BJ Raji
10.Michael Crabtree
11.Aaron Maybin
12.Knowshon Moreno
13.Brian Orakpo
14.Malcom Jenkins
15.Brian Cushing
16.Larry English
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9.Luke Kuechly
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And?

I'm confused by your use of bold. I assume the bolded ones are supposed to be better than Knowshon? At least a handful of guys that you bolded had maybe one or two good years and are out of the league, but you don't bold a guy like Jonathan Stewart? Deltha O'Neal? Really?
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I guess I just view 3300 combined rushing and receiving yards and 22 TDs in basically just 3 full seasons of work to be "contributing significantly".
Bust. I've said it from the start. Cause I'm a huge ******.
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If he has even one great year and helps win a SB the pick will pay off.
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